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Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by Jayayess1190 on Sat Apr 27 15:14:01 2013

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Friday in Pittsburgh was an all day outing to ride Neoplan's, fan, and ultimately ride the remaining 1999 AN440LF, #5014:



Side Profile of 5014
5014 Posing

Harmar Garage (which is closed but houses many Neoplan's 40/60-ft versions, plus one remaining Nova):
Harmar Garage
Retired Neoplan AN440LF's and one AN460
5111 at Harmar
Retired Neoplan's matching color

Retired Neoplan's at Harmar
Close Up
Multiple Neoplan Colors
Many old Neoplan's

We rode the 71B with an operator friend:
Hybrid on Layover

Went to the East Busway first during morning rush hour:
Neoplan to Oakland
Artics on the East Busway
Westmoreland Transit MCI bypassing Wilkinsburg

Gillig on the P3 to Oakland
Big Blue
Morning Rush Hour

Inbound Neoplan Metroliner to Pittsburgh
3054 outbound on the East Busway
Westmoreland MCI to Pittsburgh

And saw this at Penn Station;
Washington City Transit New Flyer at Penn Station

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Apr 27 22:37:47 2013, in response to Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by Jayayess1190 on Sat Apr 27 15:14:01 2013.

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With how hard up PAT is for funds, you'd think that they'd try to get more years out of their buses instead of buying new buses...even if FTA money pays for most of the bus cost, there is still a cost put forth by PAT.

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by MTA T on Sun Apr 28 04:34:26 2013, in response to Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by Jayayess1190 on Sat Apr 27 15:14:01 2013.

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Great ones! Really sad to see those AN440LFs go!

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by NorthShore on Sun Apr 28 08:11:41 2013, in response to Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Apr 27 22:37:47 2013.

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Unfortunately when a bus gets to be 14 years old things start breaking down. Replacement parts are nearly non-existent on such an old bus and furthermore Neoplan is out of business. There Honeywell parts facility
is gone. And the labor costs to repair old vehicles in-house is costly. And finally the safety issues and compliance issues (ADA, environmental, etc.) make the bus virtually worthless.
I hope the bus can be preserved in their museum fleet.

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by Flxible4life on Sun Apr 28 13:02:23 2013, in response to Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by Jayayess1190 on Sat Apr 27 15:14:01 2013.

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Nice pictures.

I hope PAT retires those Neoplan Cruisers. They look beat up and parts are scarce. I would not be surprised if they get DesignLines Cruiser because it's lesser costs to manufacturers MCI and PREVOST, but you never know

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by Flxible4life on Sun Apr 28 13:05:59 2013, in response to Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by Jayayess1190 on Sat Apr 27 15:14:01 2013.

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Oh, one more thing. With the retirement of those buses. It's sad to say that they're the last bunch in PAT's fleet to have the Detroit Diesel series 50 engine

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 28 14:42:23 2013, in response to Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by NorthShore on Sun Apr 28 08:11:41 2013.

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Neopart still exists.

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by Jayayess1190 on Sun Apr 28 20:10:50 2013, in response to Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by Flxible4life on Sun Apr 28 13:02:23 2013.

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PAT supposedly is going to buy Gillig's to replace them.

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by Jayayess1190 on Sun Apr 28 20:12:38 2013, in response to Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by Flxible4life on Sun Apr 28 13:05:59 2013.

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There are still the 52/53/5400 series Gillig's (minus the ones retrofit with an ISL) and the 1500 series Phantom's left. And a few of the 3000 series artics will be staying around a little longer.

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by Huz66511 on Sun Apr 28 21:05:50 2013, in response to Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by Jayayess1190 on Sat Apr 27 15:14:01 2013.

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Do you know if Midwest Bus Rebuilders are buying these coaches? The MBTA is having Midwest do a rehab on their 192 2005-06 AN440LF's. Would be a good parts source. Hopefully after the rebuild they will last 12 years. I drive them every day and some of the Neos are OK but most aren't that good!

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by ctrabs74 on Sun Apr 28 21:18:29 2013, in response to Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by Jayayess1190 on Sat Apr 27 15:14:01 2013.

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I rode 5150 on the #1 line back on April 1, which was a couple weeks before it was finally retired. 5014 and 5150 were the only two Neo 40-ft buses left in service at PAT at the start of April.

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Apr 29 11:31:31 2013, in response to Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 28 14:42:23 2013.

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http://www.neopart.com/

Oh wow, they really grew up! Last time I checked, their website was down and they seemed to have disappeared, but I'm glad they are back!

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by Flxible4life on Mon Apr 29 13:48:59 2013, in response to Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by Jayayess1190 on Sun Apr 28 20:12:38 2013.

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Oh, alright then. Thanks!

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by Flxible4life on Mon Apr 29 13:49:55 2013, in response to Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by Flxible4life on Mon Apr 29 13:48:59 2013.

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How do the Gilligs from PAT sound with a Detroit?

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by CJ on Mon Apr 29 14:46:24 2013, in response to Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Apr 29 11:31:31 2013.

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Yeah. That site use to be down and now it's up. Thanks for posting.

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by ctrabs74 on Mon Apr 29 16:45:23 2013, in response to Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by Flxible4life on Mon Apr 29 13:49:55 2013.

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To be honest, they don't sound that much different than any other bus with a DD50.

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by RailBus63 on Mon Apr 29 18:17:21 2013, in response to Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by Flxible4life on Mon Apr 29 13:49:55 2013.

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Any DD50 Gilligs I've ever heard sound like an Orion V with that powerplant.

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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Apr 30 08:37:52 2013, in response to Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by Flxible4life on Mon Apr 29 13:49:55 2013.

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Here's a video I found on YouTube:



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Re: Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service

Posted by SJP7121 on Wed May 8 22:28:57 2013, in response to Pittsburgh Neoplan Outing: 1 AN440LF Left in Service, posted by Jayayess1190 on Sat Apr 27 15:14:01 2013.

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Nice Pics.

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