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NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 8 15:00:29 2013        |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Mar 8 15:13:58 2013, in response to NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 8 15:00:29 2013. This could be a very good route. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Mar 8 15:35:50 2013, in response to NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 8 15:00:29 2013. Ohhh, highway running! Foamy.... |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Mar 8 16:41:35 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by JAzumah on Fri Mar 8 15:13:58 2013. I agree, this takes a lot of pressure off the Q33 and gets it to focus solely on the local population. The Q70 with its rather quick route of getting to LGA focuses on their airport riders. Though I am concerned with the often high amounts of traffic from LGA onto the BQE. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Mar 8 17:05:50 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Mar 8 16:41:35 2013. One can run this route every 20 minutes using four buses, with a fifth rush hour spare to deal with having to run local streets if traffic is backed up. The Q33 will donate at least three buses to this cause. I think the incremental cost will be no more than $100,000 to do this. You can pull that out of the rainy day fund. |
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Bx?? {Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA} |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Fri Mar 8 18:34:39 2013, in response to NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 8 15:00:29 2013. With the M60 and now the Q70, I have to wonder what number will be assigned to the proposed Webster-LaGuardia SBS route? Bx50? Bx80? |
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Re: Bx?? {Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA} |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 8 19:16:59 2013, in response to Bx?? {Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA}, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Fri Mar 8 18:34:39 2013. Bx50 is the likely candidate with a lot of these studies mention. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Train2104 on Fri Mar 8 19:20:25 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by JAzumah on Fri Mar 8 15:13:58 2013. I have a feeling the MTA will eventually charge a premium fare here...just look at Chicago whose subway fare is $2.25 except for non-pass-holders entering at O'Hare where its $5. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 8 19:50:19 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Train2104 on Fri Mar 8 19:20:25 2013. I dont see that... I can see it becoming an SBS-ized route if the ridership is skyrocketed. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by NorthShore on Fri Mar 8 20:31:34 2013, in response to NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 8 15:00:29 2013. Remember the Limited Stop Premium Fare Bus Route operated by Triboro Coach in the 80's from Queensbridge to LGA. It was a complete dud. I rode it for the thrill of it and I was the only passenger. It was quickly discontinued. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 8 21:47:57 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by JAzumah on Fri Mar 8 15:13:58 2013. This could be a very good route.I'd be surprised if it were. The demand for public transit to airports is greatly overestimated. There's very little incentive for business travellers to take inexpensive public transit. A $2.50 public transit trip or a $40 taxi make no difference to the business traveller. The company is picking up the tab. The biggest users are likely to be people who work at the airport. There are far fewer people working at LGA than at either JFK or EWK. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 8 22:02:28 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by JAzumah on Fri Mar 8 17:05:50 2013. I think the incremental cost will be no more than $100,000 to do this.I make the round trip distance to be roughly 10 miles. NYCT's operating cost is roughly $25/revenue mile. That makes each round trip cost roughly $250. With 20 minute headways from 6am-midnight (when the airport is open), that comes to $4500/day. That translates to $1,642,500/year. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by B53RICH on Fri Mar 8 22:24:29 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by NorthShore on Fri Mar 8 20:31:34 2013. QT (Quick Transit?) |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 8 22:35:59 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Mar 8 16:41:35 2013. They should allow the drivers the flexibility to get off the BQE or GCT if traffic is backed up and use the available service roads that exist in the northbound direction. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 8 22:37:40 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 8 21:47:57 2013. "A $2.50 public transit trip or a $40 taxi make no difference to the business traveller. The company is picking up the tab."You'd be surprised. Corporate travel managers are under pressure to reduce costs. Some may insist on the use of the cheaper alternative. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 8 22:38:31 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by B53RICH on Fri Mar 8 22:24:29 2013. Yup, that was it. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 8 22:41:53 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by NorthShore on Fri Mar 8 20:31:34 2013. It failed because (1) as part of Triboro and not MTA, it was not heavily marketed, (2) Queensbridge is only served by the F which is not a heavy volume route in Manhattan and requires connections for most users (as opposed to the new route which will be served by the E, F, M, R, 7 and LIRR), and (3) it was an effing long bus ride through local streets. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Mar 8 23:00:00 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 8 22:41:53 2013. It wasn't exactly a safe place to wait for a bus either, especially if you're airport bound with bags and valuables. A feast for a gang hell bent on robbing somebody. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Mar 8 23:13:03 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 8 22:02:28 2013. Don't forget that by not making local stops the bus will likely get better gas mileage and deleting the LGA portion will require less service on the Q33 reducing its costs |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 8 23:41:59 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 8 22:37:40 2013. You'd be surprised. Corporate travel managers are under pressure to reduce costs. Some may insist on the use of the cheaper alternative.That's why they said us a taxi, instead of hiring a limo. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by hound on Sat Mar 9 00:41:39 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Mar 8 15:35:50 2013. The reliability of this new route is going to be affected by traffic delays on the BQE. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 9 00:46:07 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Train2104 on Fri Mar 8 19:20:25 2013. I believe that the MTA should charge an express bus fare, but allow regular unlimited MetroCards on the route. (M60, Q70, Bx50) |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 9 00:50:50 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 8 21:47:57 2013. Honestly, it is an awesome route. As long as the MTA runs it at a reasonable frequency (every 20-30 minutes), the route's metrics will be stellar. It is a short route and has all day demand balanced in both directions. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 9 00:55:57 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 8 22:02:28 2013. The word I used was incremental costs (above and beyond the Q33's costs by itself). There will be a substantial service reduction on the Q33. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 9 00:57:51 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by hound on Sat Mar 9 00:41:39 2013. I think there will be enough slack placed in the schedule to maintain it using local streets. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sat Mar 9 04:28:47 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 8 22:41:53 2013. Partially true. It was marketed to some extent by NYCDOT and NYCTA, both of which were looking for any opportunities to get passengers to and from a grossly-underutilized subway station at 21st Street. Remember the proposals to divert all the Queens express bus routes to 21st Street as well, and withdraw them completely from Manhattan streets. But when bus routes are implemented not because the bus route makes sense, but for justifying government failures, the results should be no surprise. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sat Mar 9 04:35:01 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 8 21:47:57 2013. I agree that airports are oftentimes overestimated for demand, and that the focus on airline passengers is generally misplaced. I see modest demand for this service, but probably not enough to sustain a full-time service. During rush hours, reverse-peak buses could use the B.Q.E. to provide an express service, but I just don't see much offered by express off-peak service. The good aspect of the plan is that it serves the Woodside LIRR station, which greatly improves transportation for LGA employees living in Nassau County. But that improvement could have been made more simply by extending the Q33 from 74th Street to 61st Street (and to keep net costs neutral, perhaps truncating the Q53 at 74th Street). |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Mar 9 07:36:35 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 9 00:55:57 2013. The word I used was incremental costs (above and beyond the Q33's costs by itself). There will be a substantial service reduction on the Q33.That's understood. I have not worked out the numbers for the Q33. However, separating the two demands (local + airport) for the existing Q33 means that the Q33 will have to make do with a single (local) customer demand. Ditto for the Q70. It's quite likely that a marginally profitable Q33 will be transformed into two money losing services. It's obvious the Q70 will be a money loser. They will need to average 50 passengers/trip to break even. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 9 08:08:41 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 9 00:57:51 2013. I live in that general area of Queens. The local streets are just as messed up certain times of the day.If good recovery time at Woodside isn't built into this schedule, a sufficient lunch period too, service relaibility will be compromised. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 9 08:09:19 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 9 00:46:07 2013. I disagree, it's a relatively short route, mileage wise. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 9 08:10:42 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Mar 9 07:36:35 2013. I think it would do well. I also feel the biggest source of riders will be airport workers. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 9 09:00:25 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Mar 9 07:36:35 2013. I disagree: Think of the Q70 as a Q33 Super Limited. Segmenting the traffic flows will allow for faster circulation on both buses (no big bags on the local) and will be integrated with the rail system by branding. In addition, there are few major traffic generators between the two points, so a Q33A or Q33 Limited is not warranted. I think it will improve the Q33's metrics substantially. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Sat Mar 9 12:46:22 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by hound on Sat Mar 9 00:41:39 2013. I would think the GCP would affect the route more than the BQE, especially since the route would take the Eastern Spur rather than the Western Spur (heading towards the Triboro Bridge)...--Dr. C |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sat Mar 9 13:43:26 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Mar 9 07:36:35 2013. Of course the service will "lose" money, but the real question is whether or not the public policy benefits will outweigh the cost disbenefits.A structurally-identical situation existed several years ago when the Q101 route, from Manhattan to Rikers Island via Steinway St, was separated into two routes, one local via Steinway St, and a second express route to Rikers Island. The new scheme cost more, but the political benefits--ridding the Steinway St bus of "outsiders" (mostly racial minorities)--was deemed by the local community to outweigh the additional monetary cost (and the convenience cost of less frequent service). I do see a public policy benefit in operating bus service along a route connecting important transportation systems (i.e., the subway and the airport), and that might justify operating such a bus service with a limited demand, even as other potential bus routes with similar low demand are dismissed. But here, I think with such a relatively short Q33 bus route, the incremental public policy benefits of a separate bus route to the airport are just not that great. The public policy benefits of a new bus route to the airport from the Bronx, via the Triborough Bridge, would be so much greater. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 9 15:31:29 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Dr. Casca on Sat Mar 9 12:46:22 2013. Bus drivers should be allowed to get off the BQE at Astoria Blvd. and take the streets in the event of a backup on the GCP. |
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Q101 {Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA} |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sat Mar 9 15:57:00 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by BusMgr on Sat Mar 9 13:43:26 2013. [A structurally-identical situation existed several years ago when the Q101 route, from Manhattan to Rikers Island via Steinway St, was separated into two routes, one local via Steinway St, and a second express route to Rikers Island. The new scheme cost more, but the political benefits--ridding the Steinway St bus of "outsiders" (mostly racial minorities)--was deemed by the local community to outweigh the additional monetary cost (and the convenience cost of less frequent service).] The local community didn't directly experience (and thus probably didn't care about) the additional monetary cost. |
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Re: Q101 {Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA} |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 9 16:22:38 2013, in response to Q101 {Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA}, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sat Mar 9 15:57:00 2013. True.But, shortsightedly, they are suffering from drastically reduced service on that line. The 101 used to have midtown Manhattan frequencies. Now it's no less than every 10 minutes even in rush hours, and up to 20 minutes other times. And bunching means even longer waits. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 9 16:57:24 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Dr. Casca on Sat Mar 9 12:46:22 2013. A bus route is set in stone. Reroutes must be cleared by console/supervision. Bus operators are not allowed to use their own discretion to reroute. If he's in a collision it's his ass because he went off his assigned route.MTA is a militaristic beauracracy. Those of us who work for any branch of MTA damn well know this. The bus operators of the former private got a culture shock when MTA took over the lines. Ask them! |
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Re: Q101 {Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA} |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 9 17:28:40 2013, in response to Re: Q101 {Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA}, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 9 16:22:38 2013. Yes, but it is appropriate for the local amount of traffic. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 9 17:35:15 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 9 16:57:24 2013. Yep. The private companies had a budget and MTA Bus has a much bigger budget so that nervous drivers can deadhead along the route and arrive 45 minutes late for their next trip! |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sat Mar 9 17:56:17 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 8 22:37:40 2013. I think this is a good idea. Something needs to be done to give travelers to LGA (and employees as well) an expeditious alternative to an expensive and often dangerous taxi ride. Many do not have a lot of luggage to carry so this may offer a good choice without having to do any expensive construction and makes good use of existing resources. |
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Re: Q101 {Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA} |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sat Mar 9 19:26:07 2013, in response to Re: Q101 {Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA}, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 9 16:22:38 2013. A "public policy benefit" can vary from place-to-place. In some communities, frequent bus service is important, but in other communities, isolationism is more important. Astoria does not seem to value bus frequency as highly as elsewhere. (Even more so in Glendale, transit frequency and convenience is viewed by many as a negative, for they highly value being isolated.)Where politics is local, the community boards and council members from different parts of the City will push the values of their communities. On the other hand, many city-wide governmental entities have difficulty with adapting to community demands, and insist on using standards which are city-wide, rather than community based (which, in their defense, they may perceive as necessary to comply with principles of equal protection). In the case of public transportation, when private companies operated buses, they generally adhered to community-based standards. On the other hand, MTA Bus Company has been adopting city-wide standards in its management of the same bus service. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Mar 10 19:19:42 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 9 00:55:57 2013. They say about 20% of the ridership is bound for the airport, so at worst, it would be a 20% service reduction. (From 10 minutes to 12 minutes off-peak)Then again, it says the reason for the hearing is because Q33 route miles would be decreased by over 25%. There might be an issue with overnight service, though (Would this route run overnight?). Right now, the Q33 works perfectly with 2 buses and 30 minute headways, and with the lack of traffic on the streets at that time, it wouldn't be too slow. Of course, the problem is that it doesn't serve Woodside, but if you cut the headways back to 40 minutes, you could still run it with 2 buses. It's better than having it run every 60 minutes, which is what I could picture happening if it doesn't serve LGA. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Mar 10 19:39:53 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Mar 10 19:19:42 2013. They may still let it serve the airport overnight. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Mar 10 20:41:03 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by JAzumah on Sun Mar 10 19:39:53 2013. Or they may let it grow to the point of warranting overnight service. (Remember that the M60 started out with 30-minute headways all day with the western terminal at 125th & Lenox). |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 10 21:26:08 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Mar 10 19:19:42 2013. I'll admit it's been many years since I rode the route.But the few times I rode it, the biggest problem was the time length of the red lights along 82nd and 83rd St's. We seemed to miss "every" light and it seemed east/west traffic had a longer green cycle at all intersections than the north/south traffic had. |
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Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Mar 10 22:02:43 2013, in response to Re: NEW bus route: [Q70 Limited] Jackson Heights/Woodside-LGA; Q33 not going to LGA, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Mar 10 19:19:42 2013. The notice states that the Q70 would have the same hours of service as the Q33 (which currently operates 24/7). |
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