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New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 25 19:11:13 2012

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5295 is now 4708. The roof numbers on 5291 have been whited out, and I expect that this bus will become 4707. The next active bus in the series has already been renumbered 4709.

Here is 4708 (ex-5295).



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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Tue Sep 25 19:21:39 2012, in response to New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 25 19:11:13 2012.

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How many of the 5250-5509 buses are left?

This is confusing. The Orion 7 NG3 ends at 4702. The 40 foot Xcelsiors start at 4810, where will NYCB squeeze these buses in, the 4700's ? So the Xcelsior artic demo [4710] will get renumbered again [from 1000, to 4710, to ????] ?

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 25 19:24:15 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Tue Sep 25 19:21:39 2012.

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About half retired---but that will reduce significantly once Gun Hill gets its 1300s. Given that the Xcelsior artic contract has not been officially awarded, I expect that they will be renumbered again.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by BedStuyGuy on Tue Sep 25 19:39:39 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 25 19:24:15 2012.

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The Xcelsior contract has been awarded actually.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 25 19:50:26 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by BedStuyGuy on Tue Sep 25 19:39:39 2012.

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In that case, I would now expect that the buses will land back in the 1000 series.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by busway flyer on Tue Sep 25 20:34:31 2012, in response to New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 25 19:11:13 2012.

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5250 is which 4700 number and 5509 which 4700 is it ?



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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 25 21:28:33 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by busway flyer on Tue Sep 25 20:34:31 2012.

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5250 should eventually be 4703. 5509...not yet known.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 25 21:49:17 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 25 21:28:33 2012.

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Correction: 5250 was retired during the summer.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by R32_3671 on Wed Sep 26 00:18:40 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 25 21:49:17 2012.

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I have a feeling these Buses will wind up At MTA Bus, a BP superviosr had told me they were gonna get some artics back this year, i don't know how true but you never know

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 26 02:22:08 2012, in response to New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 25 19:11:13 2012.

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I noticed that there are a LOT of beat to shit NF ARTICS on the M15 LOCAL..none on the SBS..

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by LRG5784 on Wed Sep 26 04:40:45 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 26 02:22:08 2012.

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Of course there aren't any New Flyers on the M15 +SBS...no New Flyers are wrapped for the line, only the Novas.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 26 04:57:34 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by R32_3671 on Wed Sep 26 00:18:40 2012.

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Of course, more buses one step away from the grave to MTA bus!

But I disagree with your opinion tho.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Sep 26 05:30:24 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Tue Sep 25 19:21:39 2012.

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I have the following at KB:
NEW-FLYERS: 5252-5253, 5267, 5281, 5283, 5285, 5291, 5295-5296, 5300, 5302-5303, 5305-5306, 5461, 5463-5470, 5472-5495, 5497-5510, 5560, 5562-5563, 5567-5574, 5576-5584, 5677-5686, 5688-5691, 5694-5702, 5710, 5713.
Buses renumbered (so far): 5291-4707, 5295-4708, 5296-4709.
GH has the following:
5316, 5320-5321, 5326, 5337, 5341-5342, 5344-5353, 5377, 5428-5434, 5436-5444, 5446-5453, 5455-5460, 5623, 5627, 5634, 5687, 5703-5709, 5711-5712, 5714-5769.
WF has the following:
5354, 5646-5655, 5659-5676.
TA has the following:
5400, 5403-5423, 5425-5427, 5511-5559, 5564-5565, 5575.
MJQ has the following:
5338, 5462, 5471, 5566, 5585-5607, 5610-5621, 5624.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 26 16:18:32 2012, in response to New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 25 19:11:13 2012.

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Why are they renumbering these buses exactly?

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by r17-6599 on Wed Sep 26 16:36:35 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 26 16:18:32 2012.

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Because it appears that MTA/NYCT has a little too much time on its hands, and I suspect some extra $$$ floating around. Nuts!
jrc

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 26 17:01:21 2012, in response to New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 25 19:11:13 2012.

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This should make for some interesting photos.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by Princelex456 on Thu Sep 27 03:05:57 2012, in response to New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 25 19:11:13 2012.

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With the remumbering of the D60HF's, does that mean that these Artics are going to be sticking around a little longer or is it a bit too premature to know this yet?

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by RailBus63 on Thu Sep 27 09:13:46 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 26 16:18:32 2012.

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Presumably to start freeing up the number block from 5250 on up.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Sep 27 11:48:44 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by RailBus63 on Thu Sep 27 09:13:46 2012.

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Up to 5999 that is.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Sep 27 14:27:57 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Sep 27 11:48:44 2012.

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Now 5986...the next bus will be 5253.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Sep 27 14:29:05 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Sep 27 14:27:57 2012.

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My mistake, thank you, this is all very confusing.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Sep 27 16:22:50 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Sep 27 14:29:05 2012.

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I just found that out today, thanks to NYCTF and Trevor, who posts there.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Sep 27 16:24:27 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by RailBus63 on Thu Sep 27 09:13:46 2012.

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And indeed...the next bus after 5986 will be 5253.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Sep 27 16:25:45 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by Princelex456 on Thu Sep 27 03:05:57 2012.

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It's being done because buses with the occupied numbers are coming in any day now. This is also why some of the 1968 Flxibles were renumbered into the 7000s when the 1987 TMCs came in...they were not yet ready for retirement.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by B53RICH on Thu Sep 27 17:58:01 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Sep 27 16:25:45 2012.

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Actually it was the 1969 Flxibles that were renumbered into the 7000's to make way for the 1985 RTS's, 3800-4218.
The 1970 GM's were also renumbered to the 6000 series shortly after to make way for the 1986/1987 RTS's.
This renumbering really threw off my roster. It wasn't until 20 years later or so when the renumbering rosters were posted on the web when I finally found out the original numbers.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by G1RavagesDad on Mon Oct 1 15:56:08 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Sep 27 11:48:44 2012.

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I wouldn't think they'd free up all the numbers up to 5999, since that would mean renumbering the new Nova artics. Then again....this IS the MTA we're talking about. Anything is possible.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by Mr. D - Type on Mon Oct 1 17:02:14 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by G1RavagesDad on Mon Oct 1 15:56:08 2012.

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Yes, I realized that after I answered, the New Flyers / Nova artics issues are very confusing.

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Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered

Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Oct 1 18:25:09 2012, in response to Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by G1RavagesDad on Mon Oct 1 15:56:08 2012.

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The next bus is 5253, currently at the Nova plant. 5252 isn't being renumbered...but the other surviving 5200s have been.

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4705 and 4707 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered)

Posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Oct 1 19:24:11 2012, in response to New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 25 19:11:13 2012.

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#4705


#4707


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Re: 4705 and 4707 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered)

Posted by Concourse Express on Mon Oct 1 22:42:52 2012, in response to 4705 and 4707 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered), posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Oct 1 19:24:11 2012.

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That's some serious bus-bunching in pic #1. Perhaps it's time for the +SBS treatment?

(Nice pix, BTW.)

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Re: 4705 and 4707 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered)

Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Oct 2 04:28:15 2012, in response to 4705 and 4707 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered), posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Oct 1 19:24:11 2012.

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Love the first pic. You caught all three destination signs at the right time.
Looks like dude is trying to squeeze between bus and construction fence.......

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Re: 4705 and 4707 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered)

Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Oct 3 07:35:29 2012, in response to Re: 4705 and 4707 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered), posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Oct 2 04:28:15 2012.

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Has anyone been able to find out the original numbers of these re-numbered artics?

4705 can not be 5281, as the license plate on 5281 is L-10681 and the plate on 4705 is L-10745. License plate on 5323 is L-10610. 5298 was L-10730.
Let me know if you know what the re-numbered buses original numbers are.

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Re: 4705 and 4707 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered)

Posted by bx36ltd on Wed Oct 3 12:27:05 2012, in response to Re: 4705 and 4707 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered), posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Oct 3 07:35:29 2012.

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4705 was 5295

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Re: 4705 and 4707 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered)

Posted by bx36ltd on Wed Oct 3 12:35:01 2012, in response to Re: 4705 and 4707 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered), posted by bx36ltd on Wed Oct 3 12:27:05 2012.

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Wait i think im wrong i think 5295 is 4708 i think there was a post on here a whole that told which was which

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Re: 4705 and 4707 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Oct 3 15:26:57 2012, in response to Re: 4705 and 4707 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered), posted by bx36ltd on Wed Oct 3 12:27:05 2012.

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No...4708 was 5295.

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Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered)

Posted by Cappy on Wed Oct 3 17:46:29 2012, in response to Re: 4705 and 4707 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered), posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Oct 3 07:35:29 2012.

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5283 is 4705.

A pic (taken by coneykidw8) of 5283 before the fleet renumber and the same license plate:


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Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5253-5296 batch being renumbered)

Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Thu Oct 4 04:07:24 2012, in response to Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5250-5509 batch being renumbered), posted by Cappy on Wed Oct 3 17:46:29 2012.

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Here is my guess as to the re-numbered buses:
5283-4705, 5285-4706, 5291-4707, 5295-4708, 5296-4709.
4705 & 4708 have been confirmed (by their license plates).

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Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5253-5296 batch being renumbered)

Posted by bx36ltd on Thu Oct 4 11:01:28 2012, in response to Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5253-5296 batch being renumbered), posted by UTC Bus Roster on Thu Oct 4 04:07:24 2012.

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So is it 5253/5509 or is it now 5253/5296????

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Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5253-5296 batch being renumbered)

Posted by MCI D4000 81994 on Thu Oct 4 11:07:16 2012, in response to Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5253-5296 batch being renumbered), posted by UTC Bus Roster on Thu Oct 4 04:07:24 2012.

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Nova Artics 5256 & 5257 were just seen heading towards the Manhattan Bridge on Flatbush Avenue by the Barclays Center.

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Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5253-5296 batch being renumbered)

Posted by busway flyer on Fri Oct 5 11:04:28 2012, in response to Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5253-5296 batch being renumbered), posted by MCI D4000 81994 on Thu Oct 4 11:07:16 2012.

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5256 and 5257 are new 2012 Novabus Artics ?

What is the entire batch sequence for this order ?

S.F.T.

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Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5253-5296 batch being renumbered)

Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Sat Oct 6 02:54:16 2012, in response to Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5253-5296 batch being renumbered), posted by busway flyer on Fri Oct 5 11:04:28 2012.

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5254-5259 delivered to MJQ

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Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5253-5296 batch being renumbered)

Posted by busway flyer on Sat Oct 6 10:34:45 2012, in response to Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5253-5296 batch being renumbered), posted by UTC Bus Roster on Sat Oct 6 02:54:16 2012.

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This 2012 batch starts at 5253, but of course as usual the first unit always come after the fact..ugh.

S.F.T.

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Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5253-5296 batch being renumbered)

Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Sun Oct 7 08:16:45 2012, in response to Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5253-5296 batch being renumbered), posted by busway flyer on Sat Oct 6 10:34:45 2012.

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The reason that Nova 5253 is being delayed is because NF 5253 is still in service at KB depot.

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Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5253-5296 batch being renumbered)

Posted by bx36ltd on Sun Oct 7 09:51:20 2012, in response to Re: 4705 (Re: New Flyer D60HF renumbering - remaining 5253-5296 batch being renumbered), posted by UTC Bus Roster on Sun Oct 7 08:16:45 2012.

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That cant be true someone reported 5256 the Nova bus heading dwn to Quill on here

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