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TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Sep 20 21:47:38 2012 edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d TWU bus-ted for depriving riders A petty union turf war almost halted the MTA from bringing a much-needed bus stop to riders in Brooklyn, The Post has learned. Transport Workers Union Local 100 threw a hissy fit when the agency announced plans to have a Staten Island express bus pick up riders in Bay Ridge on weekends — because those buses would be driven by another union. So TWU bosses filed an official grievance in July — beginning a two-month arbitration process to determine if Amalgamated Transit Union Local 726 bus drivers were allowed to pick up riders. Finally, last week, independent arbitrator Richard Adelman sided with the MTA and green-lighted the bus stop; the new service will begin on Sept. 30. “I’m delighted!” said Ian Charles Scott, 54, an art professor who often goes into Manhattan on weekends to do research or take students to exhibitions. “We have to get the subway, which is very long on the weekends. You can add 20 to 40 minutes for the subway ride.” In the arbitration, the MTA claimed that adding a stop on Staten Island’s X17 at Dahlgren Place and 86th Street would be an inexpensive way of expanding service in a neighborhood with paltry transit options. Bay Ridge hasn’t had a weekend express bus to and from Manhattan ever since the agency’s budget cuts killed service two years ago — and the only subway service is the slow, local R train. Under the MTA’s plan, the X17 would make a quick pit stop off the Gowanus Expressway en route to and from the Huguenot section of Staten Island. But the TWU claimed that, according to its contract, it had the sole right to pick up passengers on express buses in Brooklyn, while the ATU was allowed only on Staten Island. The TWU asked the MTA to either start weekend service on X28 or extend the X27 — both operated by TWU drivers. Even ATU Local 726 sided with the TWU and asked the MTA not to re-route the X17. When the MTA refused — citing higher costs — infuriated union officials filed the grievance. Labor leaders also argued that adding a stop in Brooklyn would unfairly burden Staten Island riders by adding time to one of the longest express-bus rides in the system. “In our view, it didn’t make sense at all,” said Willy Rivera, a TWU division chair. But bartender Justin Perkins, 30, said the union got it wrong. “I’m a union worker so I support unions 100 percent. But it [bringing in X17] makes sense,” said Perkins, who said it will save him more than an hour on the weekends. “It’s going through this area anyway,” he said. --- http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/twu_bus_ted_for_depriving_riders_dJt4IYMS2OqIKSRhLgfdKP#ixzz2744iUAlJ
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by NIMBYkiller* on Fri Sep 21 00:12:27 2012, in response to TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Sep 20 21:47:38 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Classic example of unions mucking up progress. Good for some things, bad for others
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by Mr RT* on Fri Sep 21 13:40:01 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 21 00:12:27 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d This is just SOP when the MTA wants to make a change.
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by Dan* on Sat Sep 22 10:25:38 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by Mr RT on Fri Sep 21 13:40:01 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d it will add about 10 minutes to the X17 trips from S.I. But it's only on weekends. May allow for future SI - Brooklyn combo express routes, like a route to MetroTech in downtown Broklyn. The "X39" could run on Hylan, then through Bay Ridge to MetroTech via 3 Avenue.
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by Bounad Hanhic* on Sat Sep 22 10:35:11 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 21 00:12:27 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Delaying a Staten Island Express bus route enroute to Manhattan by stopping in Brooklyn first is not mucking up progress. It is making the X17 more unreliable.
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by JAzumah* on Sat Sep 22 10:59:17 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Sep 22 10:35:11 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I disagree. Pickup people up right off the highway is NOT going to mess the schedule up. Have you seen the stop location proposed?
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by Bounad Hanhic* on Sat Sep 22 11:39:36 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by JAzumah on Sat Sep 22 10:59:17 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yes I have seen the stop and I will add Staten Island Express buses are already unreliable as is. What happens when the X17 extension happens? The X17 stop is not the best way to serve that community.
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by AMoreira81* on Sat Sep 22 11:42:37 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Sep 22 11:39:36 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It will only be on weekends when the X28 does not run. Persoally, I'd like to see the X17 extended on its western end to Bricktown Mall on weekends.
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by Bounad Hanhic* on Sat Sep 22 11:43:53 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 22 11:42:37 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I know it is only on weekends, but still I do not think it will work.
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by NIMBYkiller* on Sat Sep 22 13:51:08 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Sep 22 10:35:11 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d So you don't think that providing a service for a community that needs it at no additional cost is progress? Lucky for our taxpayer wallets you're not the one running the books
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by checkmatechamp13* on Sat Sep 22 14:35:45 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 22 11:42:37 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Didn't they mention something about that in the service investments? Something like extending it down to the X22 terminal at Hylan & Page.
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sat Sep 22 15:58:44 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 22 11:42:37 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Do you really think Bricktown Mall is such a fabulous mall that people are going to come there from Manhattan & Brooklyn? I certainly don't.
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by caine515* on Sat Sep 22 16:01:55 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Sep 22 11:43:53 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d i think its a test to see IF there is enough customer service to justify bringing back weekend X28 service. If there isn't the X17 winds up no longer stopping in Brooklyn. People may complain but the comment will be "well we HAD service and you didn't ride it" B68-#468-New Flyer C40LF
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by caine515* on Sat Sep 22 16:01:55 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Sep 22 11:43:53 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d i think its a test to see IF there is enough customer service to justify bringing back weekend X28 service. If there isn't the X17 winds up no longer stopping in Brooklyn. People may complain but the comment will be "well we HAD service and you didn't ride it" B68-#468-New Flyer C40LF
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by Bounad Hanhic* on Sat Sep 22 16:07:36 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by caine515 on Sat Sep 22 16:01:55 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Its political, NYCT has to justify bringing back the X28 weekend service and that is why the X17 is made to stop there. The X17 is set up to not work too well. Just like how the X27B/X28B was set up in order to help justify the restoration of the X37 and X38.
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by checkmatechamp13* on Sat Sep 22 21:56:34 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by caine515 on Sat Sep 22 16:01:55 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d They have the ridership numbers for the X28 before the reductions. There's no need for a "test".
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by checkmatechamp13* on Sat Sep 22 21:56:36 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by caine515 on Sat Sep 22 16:01:55 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d They have the ridership numbers for the X28 before the reductions. There's no need for a "test".
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by B1bus* on Sun Sep 23 20:36:23 2012, in response to TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Sep 20 21:47:38 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d What if they ran the X27 from Bay 38 st/Cropsey to 86 /Shore rd, then regular X27 route? Would that be too long and out of the way?
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by checkmatechamp13* on Mon Sep 24 12:45:03 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by B1bus on Sun Sep 23 20:36:23 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Or maybe they could use the Belt Parkway to get between say, the last stop (Shore Road & 101st Street or whatever it is) and somewhere on Cropsey, like say, Bay 8th Street.
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by Hank Eisenstein* on Mon Sep 24 13:23:31 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 22 15:58:44 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d No, it isn't. It's a Target, Home Depot, Petco, Christmas Tree Shops and Bed Bath and Beyond. Five of those stores have the potential to draw customers on transit, and all five have locations elsewhere that are much closer to home. Workers aren't going to take those buses to jobs there because the cost of the round trip is nearly two hours of labor.
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by jasonbellamy* on Mon Sep 24 15:29:22 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by Dan on Sat Sep 22 10:25:38 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d "it will add about 10 minutes to the X17" Why would taking the service road for one exit and picking up a few passengers add that much time?
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by b1bus* on Tue Sep 25 00:44:45 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Sep 24 12:45:03 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I have seen empty buses going on/off the Belt, though they are not allowed with passengers.
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by Dan* on Tue Sep 25 09:59:23 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by jasonbellamy on Mon Sep 24 15:29:22 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Slowing down to exit, traffic signals, picking up passengers, re-entering the expressway, etc.
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by Dan* on Tue Sep 25 10:02:41 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by b1bus on Tue Sep 25 00:44:45 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Can the NYSDOT make an exception for the MTA in a case like this. Passengers are allowed on the Belt Portion of the B83.
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Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop
Posted by B1bus* on Fri Sep 28 09:44:06 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 & ATU 726 on X17 Weekend Brooklyn Bus Stop, posted by Dan on Tue Sep 25 10:02:41 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d For 1 exit.
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