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Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot |
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Posted by Flxible4life on Tue Sep 11 08:10:04 2012, in response to Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by North-Easten T/O on Mon Sep 10 23:23:34 2012. Make sure you or somebody get pics of those buses. When they're out in service, let us know about the riding and driver experience behind those vehicles. Thank you! |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Sep 11 08:18:02 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by Flxible4life on Tue Sep 11 08:10:04 2012. I was told that they are changing the mirrors on them from the hang down type to one like on the MCI's. The Driver don't like the new ones. And yes I will let you know how they ride. They must be better the the older MCI. |
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Posted by centour on Tue Sep 11 09:04:05 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Sep 11 08:18:02 2012. The 2 buses at the Howell Garage are prototypes that will be evaluated by NJT for several months but look out. we know how NJT re-engineers every bus they buy. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 11 09:35:47 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by Flxible4life on Tue Sep 11 08:10:04 2012. I did see a pic floating around somewhere, either on here or Facebook.Not the best aesthetically looking bus I've ever seen, not by a longshot. But what the hell, if it runs ok........... |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Sep 11 23:48:19 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by centour on Tue Sep 11 09:04:05 2012. Ya I just found out that the Ruff mounted AC unit makes them to high for the Port and the door is a 1 peace unit. |
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Posted by Flxible4life on Wed Sep 12 00:46:39 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Sep 11 23:48:19 2012. They (NJ Transit) should've done what MTA is doing: Bus evaluation program.Should've awarded small contracts to MCI and Prevost also for CNG 45 footers. Evaluate each bus from from it's respected bus manufacturer for a couple of months. See which bus out performs the levels from all expects; therefore, from a driver's view, passenger's view, maintenance view and collectively as a whole. I can see it now that heads are turning from the drivers in Howell bus facility. Can't wait for you guys to tell me the expressions of the passengers faces... that'll be interesting! |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Wed Sep 12 07:10:01 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by Flxible4life on Wed Sep 12 00:46:39 2012. I can't wait to ride them. The older MCI are falling apart. Monday the driver lower the bus to let someone off. WE almost to did not leave. The air dropped and it almost did not come up. |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Sep 12 07:31:01 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Sep 11 23:48:19 2012. so the question is- who is dumber. is it nyct or njt. this would be a close call. |
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Posted by mkeit on Wed Sep 12 10:39:35 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Sep 11 23:48:19 2012. 1 peace door-no fighting to get in. But where is the ruff??? |
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Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot |
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Posted by NJT Oradell on Wed Sep 12 13:31:05 2012, in response to Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by North-Easten T/O on Mon Sep 10 23:23:34 2012. NJT doesn't need an eval period, that would just confuse them since they make up their mind long before the first bus is built. Then, usually, they'll get two prototypes which they will keep but make changes to, as well as changing the order. They also have a habit of buying buses from manufacturers who subsequently go belly up. The best cruiser type buses they've bought were the D4000/4500's. The best transit buses were the Nova's. But, as when they bought NYC's Flxibles, "anything can be repaired". This way they never have to admit the bought junk because they didn't do a proper prepurchase eval. |
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Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Sep 12 14:12:15 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by mkeit on Wed Sep 12 10:39:35 2012. he meant roof |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Sep 12 14:13:58 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 11 09:35:47 2012. that was me who posted unlike other websites........
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Posted by mkeit on Wed Sep 12 15:07:56 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Sep 12 14:12:15 2012. I know-there is a spell check on this board. |
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Posted by Flxible4life on Wed Sep 12 21:21:20 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by mkeit on Wed Sep 12 10:39:35 2012. The one piece door is nothing. Remember, NJ Transit leased some older (1998) MCI 102DL3 models which had the one door piece. The buses were for Howell garage and later NJT put destination signs on them. They were the first coaches numbered 7101-7120. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Sep 12 21:54:15 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by Flxible4life on Wed Sep 12 00:46:39 2012. ...especially since another potential 1,400 bus order is likely coming soon to replace the current MCI D-series fleet. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Sep 13 00:08:49 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by Flxible4life on Wed Sep 12 21:21:20 2012. One piece doors need more space to open and routinely hit people. This is why NJT has bi-fold doors despite higher maintenance. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Sep 13 06:46:57 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Sep 12 14:12:15 2012. Yes I did mean Roof. I hit post before I realized my mistakes. Sorry. |
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Posted by mci guy on Thu Sep 13 07:26:01 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Sep 12 21:54:15 2012. if they have any brains theyll go back to mci or even prevost. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Sep 13 08:11:20 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by mci guy on Thu Sep 13 07:26:01 2012. The driver I am talking to would not mind the Prevost. He like the way they look. |
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Posted by centour on Thu Sep 13 10:15:39 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Sep 13 08:11:20 2012. The 1 piece entrance door does not work well in a commuter operation. The 20 leased MCI's were only used on certain routes with minimal stops in order to reduce the possibility of injuries and property damage.With federal funds an issue, the lowest bid requirement does not allow NJT or any other entity to be selective unless the low bidder has a proven inferior product. I was told that the "Design Liners" were $20K per bus cheaper than MCI. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Sep 13 10:23:31 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by centour on Thu Sep 13 10:15:39 2012. A decent OTR coach in a commuter configuration should be doable for $500k. |
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Posted by mci guy on Thu Sep 13 13:35:56 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Sep 13 08:11:20 2012. i havent ridden them yet but they look terrific. working 22 years as busa operator has taken its toll on my health. |
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Posted by mci guy on Thu Sep 13 13:38:20 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by centour on Thu Sep 13 10:15:39 2012. true but look how long its taken this company to produce two pilots. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Sep 13 13:55:16 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by centour on Thu Sep 13 10:15:39 2012. Centour, The 20 leased MCI's were always on the 139, this line dose a lot of stops. Trust me, I rode many of them when there were in Howell. Most of them Sucked as well. |
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Posted by centour on Thu Sep 13 15:18:03 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Sep 13 13:55:16 2012. All 20 wern't in the Howell Garage. Some were in the Meadowlands Garage and worked the 167 that was express from the Teaneck Armory. I agree they were junk because some of them came out of Canada. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Sep 13 17:08:08 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by JAzumah on Thu Sep 13 00:08:49 2012. The door on the prototype (from the PR photo that was posted somewhere around here) appears to be the type of sliding door that you find on those Dina Motorcoaches or NABI 60-BRTs.The bi-fold doors on the current NJT MCI fleet (at least the ones in Southern New Jersey) are actually quite terrible from a passenger perspective...in my opinion. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Sep 13 17:08:52 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Sep 13 17:08:08 2012. Besides, the one piece door with that big window would increase visibility for the driver I'd imagine, right? |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Sep 13 20:56:21 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by centour on Thu Sep 13 15:18:03 2012. Your right, Howell had I think 15 of them. But they still sucked. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Sep 13 21:38:52 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Sep 13 13:55:16 2012. They were all secondhand; at least some of theme were ex-Coach Canada. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Sep 14 00:21:56 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Sep 13 17:08:08 2012. They might get away with it if it slides like the Dina or a Van Hool. |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Fri Sep 14 01:28:48 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by centour on Thu Sep 13 10:15:39 2012. I never did get to rode those temp MCI's... and I do remember seeing them on the 167 and 320. Were they ever used on the 319? It would seem routes like that and the 551 would've been the ideal routes to use them on: limited stops so the door wouldn't be an issue, and they were already lavatory equipped IINM. |
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Posted by flxible870b on Fri Sep 14 07:09:48 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by JohnnyMints on Fri Sep 14 01:28:48 2012. 7101-7110 were at the Meadowlands first, they were used on the 319 most of the time. Then the Meadowlands traded 7103 for 7120 because 7120 had a Wheelchair lift. Those buses at the Meadowlands were used on the 128 129 166 167 319 and 320 lines. 7111-7120 were Howell buses. These buses were fast as hell but they had a ton of flaws esp when they all came to the Meadowlands without Air Conditioning. NJT but alot of money into all them damn buses. I drove a few and they were interesting buses cause they were all different, none were the same. |
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Posted by centour on Fri Sep 14 09:07:22 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Sep 13 17:08:52 2012. The one piece door being referred to on the Dina's and Neoplans is called a BODE door manufacured for the industry by the Bode Corp. in the Carolina's. It's a good door for a Charter or Tour operation but not for scheduled service because it operates too slow. The bi part doors on NJT's MCI's open or close in 4 seconds. They originally operated much faster but had to be re timed because people were getting caught between them. |
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Posted by 167t on Fri Sep 14 23:59:40 2012, in response to Re: Design Liner CNG 45ft'er @ Howell Depot, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Sep 13 06:46:57 2012. It's PIECE not PEACE...Pleezse chuck yourn peslling in the futshure.!Thanks you |
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