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Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order |
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Posted by D40LF on Sat Aug 11 16:57:59 2012, in response to [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Aug 11 16:33:38 2012. oh wow!!! I'm surprised they go with New Flyer |
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Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order |
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Posted by Nabinut on Sat Aug 11 22:39:38 2012, in response to Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order, posted by D40LF on Sat Aug 11 16:57:59 2012. Not really. New Flyer burned TTC in the 80s with two bad batches of D40HFs, which suffered from corrosion and powertrain issues. They were retired early. Another reason why the fishbowls stayed around so long. Besides the 51 D40LFs which are close to retirement age, TTC has had nothing to do with New Flyer. However, the 40 foot bid is up as well so they still have a chance to get back into TTC's good graces. Look at NYCT and New Flyer now... |
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Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order |
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Posted by D40LF on Sat Aug 11 23:42:55 2012, in response to Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order, posted by Nabinut on Sat Aug 11 22:39:38 2012. ...true, bringing back an extinct model really paid off for NF. My gut tells me if TTC is pleased with the Novas that's who they'll stick with. |
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Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 12 01:10:53 2012, in response to Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order, posted by D40LF on Sat Aug 11 23:42:55 2012. The question is, however: Are there still enough 40LF old-style kits? Keep in mind that there are 74 fewer kits available. |
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Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Aug 12 01:26:34 2012, in response to Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 12 01:10:53 2012. I don't know how many assembly lines New Flyer has, but I'd bet that they have the capacity to start/restart a LF assembly line. |
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Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order |
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Posted by daimlerbuses on Sun Aug 12 07:41:53 2012, in response to Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order, posted by Nabinut on Sat Aug 11 22:39:38 2012. Highly doubt they would bid more D40LF's, although anything could happen. The 40 foot tender is smaller and only requests 40 footers in 2013 and 2016, a big gap. I'm not sure I would call it 'bad blood' between the TTC and New Flyer, it's more that every time there is a tender, they have bid on it but refused to meet the TTC's requirements in one or several areas (warranty, specifications, delivery time, performance bonds) |
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Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order |
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Posted by Nabinut on Sun Aug 12 09:56:27 2012, in response to Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 12 01:10:53 2012. If TTC somehow wins this bid, they will be pushing the XD40s instead of the D40LFs. Mississauga and Brampton has them and probably will use one of their models as a demo unit until the TTC ones arrive. |
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Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sun Aug 12 11:33:39 2012, in response to Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 12 01:10:53 2012. If an old-style LF look is what is needed to win an order, then I'm sure NF can make or buy more kits. The supposed limit on those kits is entirely within their control. |
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Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Aug 12 17:02:45 2012, in response to Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order, posted by RailBus63 on Sun Aug 12 11:33:39 2012. Agreed.I get that most of the fans here seem to prefer New Flyer's later styling over the original LF style. However, it amazes me that so many folks seems to think there's a limit on how many LF styled buses can be built. |
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Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order |
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Posted by TTCOrionVII8100 on Fri Aug 17 15:32:35 2012, in response to [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Aug 11 16:33:38 2012. Back then TTC had a NovaBUS LFS Demo #1001 built in 1997 because of the bus shortage. That was sold to Barrie in 2000, TTC didn't order LFSes because of constraints, now they got the LFS Artics. IMO, this will be the first Nova order since 1998. I'm sure the XD60s are too new for the TTC as in "unproven", they could've bought the D60LFRs since it was around longer than the LFSAs. |
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Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Aug 18 01:17:44 2012, in response to Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order, posted by TTCOrionVII8100 on Fri Aug 17 15:32:35 2012. I wonder if the TTC will be monitoring the MTA order - is the MTA the launch customer for the Xcelsior artic? |
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Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Sat Aug 18 12:33:29 2012, in response to Re: [Toronto] Extra long buses coming to the TTC; Nova Bus wins 153 articulated order, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Aug 18 01:17:44 2012. IINM, Brampton Transit is the launch customer. NYCT might be the US launch customer, Omnitrans was actually supposed to be the launch customer as IINM they were the first to order them. |
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