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Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Jul 21 14:10:09 2012 Overall, I think that approximately half of the bus service restorations shouldn't happen. The fare hike postponement should not happen. As much as I am not a fan of public unions, the bottom line is that the MTA should NEVER defer revenue. This economy is very weak and the point of the regular fare increases was to try and restore the MTA's financial footage.Having said that, there is an opportunity to restructure the X17 into a more productive system. The Bay Ridge stop is a bad idea, but off-peak service via the X22 is an excellent idea. It provides more territory to cover in order to support the core operations on Richmond Avenue. I have always wanted to split off the southern section into a peak hour express route in order to eliminate dead miles. If I had a shot at restructing the X17, I would do the following: 1) Add a new route called the X18 that would run from the Outerbridge to Newark Airport. X18 Schedule 2) Run the southern section of the X17J as the new X20 every 20 minutes. It would run from ETC and run the lower portion of the route in reverse. X20 Schedule 3) Add a new X17T service pattern that would alternate with the X17C. The X17T would run via the X22 to Veterans Road, then proceed to the ETC and run via the X17C. Each branch would run hourly and be coordinated. I paid for the majority of this restructuring by starting/ending most X17J buses at ETC, reducing its peak AM frequency to 7.5 minutes and peak PM frequency to every 9 minutes. I staggered the departures to promote more even loading on the X17J, which usually has one packed bus and another half empty bus right behind it. Essentially, I ran a 10 minute headway with some buses spaced 5 minutes apart to minimize doubling up. Shortening the X17J and reducing the frequency frees 10 buses up. 7 goes to the new X20 and 3 go to the new X18. The X17T uses existing frequencies, but I expect an incremental cost of almost one bus. |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by vfrt on Sat Jul 21 16:58:23 2012, in response to Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by JAzumah on Sat Jul 21 14:10:09 2012. The Brooklyn stop will only slow up the very long x17. Makes no sense to me. |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Sat Jul 21 22:05:55 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by vfrt on Sat Jul 21 16:58:23 2012. Alot of X17 riders are gonna be annoyed, esp if this Bay Ridge stop is full time. |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jul 22 00:23:14 2012, in response to Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by JAzumah on Sat Jul 21 14:10:09 2012. The Bay Ridge stop looks like it's weekends only. |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Sun Jul 22 00:30:59 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jul 22 00:23:14 2012. Well I guess ppl cant complain too much, esp now that the X17 will run Sundays. |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by hound on Sun Jul 22 01:33:31 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by R40SlantontheB on Sun Jul 22 00:30:59 2012. Will the Bayridge stop be available for discharging also,Manhattan bound,or pickup only? |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Jul 22 10:58:44 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by R40SlantontheB on Sat Jul 21 22:05:55 2012. Unclear, we need clarification. |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jul 22 17:16:18 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by Dan on Sun Jul 22 10:58:44 2012. The point is to serve weekend X28 riders. Since the X28 runs weekdays, there's no point in having X17 buses stop there too. (And yeah, I hope they allow Brooklyn-SI trips. Taking the S62 to the S53 to reach that area would take like 50 minutes, whereas the X17 could get me there in less than 20 minutes. |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Sun Jul 22 20:09:58 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jul 22 17:16:18 2012. Agree about the x 17 getting to Brooklyn quicker, but lets be real why would the average SI want to pay $5.25 to Brooklyn? |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 22 20:35:38 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by B49 Limited on Sun Jul 22 20:09:58 2012. It's analogous to LIRR/Metro-North vs. Subway. People are willing to pay a premium fare for speed, they're not attempting to court the average SI rider. |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Jul 22 20:56:56 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 22 20:35:38 2012. Do we even know what route the X17 will take in Brooklyn to serve former X28 riders? |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 22 21:04:37 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by B49 Limited on Sun Jul 22 20:09:58 2012. Isn't the toll for the VZ Bridge much higher than 5.25? The express bus would still be cheaper than driving over the Bridge SI bound. |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 22 21:17:35 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 22 21:04:37 2012. Car toll is $13.00Express bus fare is $5.50 |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 22 21:24:33 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by Dan on Sun Jul 22 20:56:56 2012. 86th Street & 7th Avenue bus stop |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jul 22 21:33:15 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 22 21:17:35 2012. It's only $13 if you pay with cash, and aside from that, it's one-way, so in reality, it's $6.50 vs. $5.50. And aside from that, most SIers have EZ-Pass, which means they pay $5.98, which is $2.99 each way.But I'm sure it will get decent usage. There are people without cars who would use it, or people who are trying to save on gas or something. |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 22 21:42:48 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jul 22 21:33:15 2012. On a Weekend X17 bus stop? |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jul 22 22:42:12 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 22 21:24:33 2012. 7 Avenue and not Dahlgren/Gatling? That makes no sense to make so many additional turns. |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 22 23:26:29 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jul 22 22:42:12 2012. who knows? |
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Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jul 23 20:52:20 2012, in response to Re: Proposed X17 Restructuring, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Jul 22 21:42:48 2012. Sure, why not? Either way, it doesn't really matter because if the bus is stopping there anyway, what's the difference if it takes an extra minute to load the people? |
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