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Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012 |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Mon Jul 9 09:19:19 2012, in response to CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Sat Jul 7 17:49:24 2012. Just saw 4073 on the 13 line, sounded horrible & had several windows open. |
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Posted by BusRider on Tue Jul 10 11:11:04 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by Mr. D - Type on Mon Jul 9 09:19:19 2012. A NABI caught on fire at Corliss Park about an hour ago don't know the number. A wire next to the engine caught on fire. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Jul 10 14:11:32 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Tue Jul 10 11:11:04 2012. Hope nobody got hurt. On the positive side, one of the retired Orion 6's might get a reprieve. |
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Posted by BusRider on Tue Jul 10 22:59:10 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Jul 10 14:11:32 2012. I doubt it they won't send none to Troy, especially with them new Gilligs coming in, Troy is loosing Gilligs to Albany. Nobody was hurt it was the end of the line only one person was on. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Wed Jul 11 10:58:26 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Tue Jul 10 22:59:10 2012. We can hope they reactivate an Orion 6 & send a Nova to troy. |
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Posted by BusRider on Wed Jul 11 22:10:51 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by Mr. D - Type on Wed Jul 11 10:58:26 2012. The new buses are going to suck for drivers. Went on an investigation today and the new buses 4073 and 4074 their INIT system (I'm sure you know the dispatch and fare-box systems) is now a flat screen computer. After 5 minutes of Idling this new computer shuts the bus off completely and the driver has to reprogram this computer every time the bus gets turned on. The AM Bus Assignment guy for Albany says its gonna go a lot over drivers heads, they're not going to like and says more are coming next month. But then the PM guy who I met for the first time today says 20 of them are coming in October. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Jul 12 08:58:06 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Wed Jul 11 22:10:51 2012. If that system becomes the real problem I think it will be, it will have to be modified. |
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Posted by BusRider on Thu Jul 12 22:36:32 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Jul 12 08:58:06 2012. You really think they would. I'm anticipating to see this Phase 2 Albany County Plan. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Fri Jul 13 08:51:17 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Thu Jul 12 22:36:32 2012. Yes, I do, if it's a real problem then yes. Any idea which NABI burned & how much damage ? I can tell you which of the 2 it isn't, I have seen 9966 & 9968 since the fire. |
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Posted by BusRider on Fri Jul 13 22:19:59 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by Mr. D - Type on Fri Jul 13 08:51:17 2012. 9961 is in Albany and IS running was block 1850 today, 9982 never goes out for some reason its been like that the last two picks. I did bus assignments for both Albany and Troy Divisions today, the only two NABI's that didn't go out today was 9980, 9982, and 9983. The damage wasn't severe but was taking off the road ASAP, a wire along the engine over heated causing the fire with blue smoke. It could have been 9961 got repaired in Albany in the AM and stayed for service in PM is my guess. About the new Gilligs thou I'm saying its gonna be work when only two have arrived and already has problems that are just part of the bus, I don't think they will treat the rest of them before they come. |
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Posted by BusRider on Fri Jul 13 22:22:20 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Fri Jul 13 22:19:59 2012. Also Orion's 2032, 2040, 2071, 2072, 2074, 2090, 2093, and 2097 were NOT out at all today. The only ones out were 2064, 2082, 2086, 2087, and 2095. 3024 is in Albany, 3004 and 9901 are in Troy. |
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Posted by CapitalCruiser on Sat Jul 14 13:05:00 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Fri Jul 13 22:22:20 2012. Corrections:4074 has not been delivered as of yet (unless you have pics of it otherwise) 2071 retired and up for sale on ebay, 2072 retired, 2097 retired. There's 1 more will get the number tonight. The delivery of new buses(20) will be in a while as they test the new 2012 EPA compliant engines (4073). There are 6 more STAR buses on order as well as 2 MCI Commuter Coaches with an option for 1 more. Both Hybrid Commuter Gilligs are in Albany awaiting repairs (1 is at Atlantic Detroit Diesel) |
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Posted by BusRider on Sat Jul 14 14:17:13 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by CapitalCruiser on Sat Jul 14 13:05:00 2012. Thanks for the info. 2040,2058,2090, and 2093 are in the "HOLD" rows in Albany Division. 4074 has NOT arrived but is the next one to be used don't know when, scheduled only to have them two until the batch arrives. I was surprised to see back on May 31st, NX Coach 326H was on the 29 block 2910, I wasn't in the area that day but I see it on the sheet here. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sat Jul 14 14:17:39 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by CapitalCruiser on Sat Jul 14 13:05:00 2012. Do you know either of the Service Crew guys in either Albany or Troy? |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sat Jul 14 17:38:39 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by CapitalCruiser on Sat Jul 14 13:05:00 2012. Are all 20 of the new Gillig buses going to be 40-foot hybrids? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jul 14 19:09:25 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Wed Jul 11 22:10:51 2012. The new system (on 4073) also uses the giant font for all bus stops, and doesn't seem to make any verbal announcements...The font change is in the wrong direction. This bus is using the giant font *and* scrolling. If they were going to change anything they should use the narrow font with no scrolling. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sat Jul 14 19:35:35 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by RailBus63 on Sat Jul 14 17:38:39 2012. 4073 is not hybrid so I don't think so. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sat Jul 14 19:38:37 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jul 14 19:09:25 2012. Are you talking about the Destination Signs or where it shows the stops on the overhead where "Stop Requested" is? Also they have redone the Destination Signs if you noticed well in Troy at least. The side signs now show what street that route operates the most, For Example: Along with the current signage they've also added Via Hoosick to the 87 and Latham Farms to the 90. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sat Jul 14 19:54:47 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by CapitalCruiser on Sat Jul 14 13:05:00 2012. Are all of the new Gilligs going to be 40-foot hybrids? |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sat Jul 14 20:00:50 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by RailBus63 on Sat Jul 14 19:54:47 2012. Disregard- duplicate post |
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Posted by BusRider on Sat Jul 14 21:03:43 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by RailBus63 on Sat Jul 14 20:00:50 2012. Just confirmed 2032 and 2074 are also retired, along with posted 2060, 2071, 2072, 2094, and 2097. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 15 00:57:00 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Tue Jul 10 11:11:04 2012. whats up with the 30 ftrs on the 13/18 routes..?while the 100/125 has 40ft Nova's?Waited on a BUS PLUS 905..the damn thing took forever..while the buses from Schenectady came back to back! Also..what is the 712? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 15 01:01:29 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Wed Jul 11 22:10:51 2012. Central avenue bus service is lacking..I waited for over 1'2 hour[45 minutes approximately] for either a 905 or a 1..neither came according to the scheduled arrival times... what was even worse..it was 400 pm in the afternoon..the very cusp of rush hour! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jul 15 09:05:16 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Sat Jul 14 19:38:37 2012. I'm talking of the interior "stop requested" sign...Though I would say all the exterior signage has been done poorly. Side sign: when the side showed the destination it was useful at stops where it could be going either direction. The streets it runs on isn't that useful since you should presumably know that by the route number. I guess it is useful to people unfamiliar with the routes, so it kindof gets a pass. Front sign: The front signs now instead of showing just the destination show every major stop along the way, which again is useless in situations where you're unsure of what direction you're going. At UAlbany and Crossgates it's at the point where people don't bother reading the sign anymore since it's easier to ask the driver rather than waiting until "Broadway and Orange" or "C'gates Commons" scrolls by. May as well not have a sign at all. The drivers on weekends manually change the front sign to WAL-MART since at UAlbany every third person would ask which direction it was going, and the ones who didn't would go the wrong way (Since Crossgates Mall is displayed for both directions). There is a similar problem in that both directions of the 114 say "Downtown Albany". Rear sign: And of course the rear sign is *completely useless* on the novas since it only displays the route when the bus is accelerating away from you. While it is slowing down or stopped it just blinks "stop" so you are unsure whether you should run for the bus or not. Do you know what else indicates "stop" to motorists behind you? A $10 taillight. Why have they reduced a $200 sign to the utility of a $10 taillight? So in conclusion, I would say the exterior digital signage on CDTA has managed to be programmed into being useless over the years. I can understand why they stayed with rollsigns so long, someone in the company had the wisdom to realize that they'd somehow fuck up digital signage and it wasn't worth the additional cost. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sun Jul 15 10:38:56 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 15 00:57:00 2012. The 30ft's are on the 13/18 split PM runs because they've lost the Orions, in the morning those 30ft's are on the 138(2) and 520(1). The 100 requires camera buses because its a loop and runs late so the pullout sheet requires them to have 40ft's. As far as the 125 I believe its just because the length of the route straight away along Sand Creek gives them a breeze. Theres no requirements for the 125 but the interlined trips from the 1 all have Gilligs because some 1 runs require them. FYI, Albany has 88 AM runs and 36 PM; In the AM 28 require Gilligs. I'm not sure about the 905 I think if it was a reoccurence I would have seen and heard of something by now. The 712 is the 1 and 12 combined into a peak hour route. It operates Central Avenue from Downtown Greyhound to West Gate Plaza, left on Colvin Ave and turns into the 12 via Washington Avenue to Crossgates and Walmart. It also covers the old 10/12 trips into State Campus. As far as signage, your right I think it needs work big time. I'm not sure if you know but the 3 digit routes are mainly for out of towners. If you ever looked at the block box on some buses even the 905 it was say "510" not 90510. Internally, the routes are the same 224 - 24, 233 - 33, 138 - 38. The first digit is just suppose to help the public determine the type of route it is. Where I also think gets confusing such as 10, 610, 11, 611, 12, 612, 712, and 812, etc. I strongly think after this Albany County Phase 2 plan is in place the entire Route Network will be simple and better, because the Shuttles 610-612,810,812,and 737 are going to be eliminated and replaced by improved regluar bus service.Service Restructuring: Albany County Phase 2 NX Restructuring Routes 80/85 Consolidation Western-Washington BRT/ River Cooridor BRT 473 Short-turn in Saratoga new TX Service Elimination of 531 when 905 gets enhancements After all that has taking place, the entire CDTA Route Network will be brand new. |
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Posted by CapitalCruiser on Sun Jul 15 13:28:03 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Sun Jul 15 10:38:56 2012. Except for the early series 30 foot Gilligs (Saratoga Service buses that are used regularly on Schenectady routes) the hybrid 30 footers are all camera equipped. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sun Jul 15 15:34:26 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by CapitalCruiser on Sun Jul 15 13:28:03 2012. That is true. I think because the 50 is a Trunk route but considered Saratoga Service that their putting the Nova's on them. Putting the left over Sarattoga 30ft's on regular Schenectady Neighborhood Routes being Saratoga lost the 471,474, and 870. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 15 18:28:00 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Sun Jul 15 10:38:56 2012. hopefully..it will make better sense than it does now...lets face it..CDTA been twickin the bus routes for the last 30 years..and they still trying to get it right.the 905 is a good idea..and so are a few of the others..but the 35x could use a boost in service hours..and another terminal besides the ESP.[greyhound sounds nice]and the 905 headway's should be decreased. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sun Jul 15 19:21:58 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 15 18:28:00 2012. I don't know about 30 years ago but these have been major restructuring.The 35x is part of Phase 2, according to a document the plan is to become Route 522, better frequency, make return trips to Troy instead of To Albany AM and To Troy PM. Also extend to Cohoes like the old 29x and possibly Brunswick to work with Yankee Trails service. |
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Posted by MountainDewMan24 on Mon Jul 16 05:41:33 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Sun Jul 15 19:21:58 2012. Does anybody know if the #70 bus will remain the same or if it will be changed at all during Phase 2 of the reconstruction? |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Jul 16 08:58:51 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by MountainDewMan24 on Mon Jul 16 05:41:33 2012. Yes.Albany County Phase 1(Implemented November 13,2011)- Routes 2,3,4,6,7,8,9,10,1112,13,18,27,30,31,610,611,612. *-11 was changed due to the new school year at SUNY as every other year but it was changed majorly as part of the Phase 1 so it also got new schedules on this date. *-10 also not included in Phase 1 but did also receive new schedules by eliminating Mercy Care AM Trip. New Routes 6,7,10,11,12,13,18,100,114,116,125,138,610,611,612. Albany County Phase 2 - Routes 10,19,21,22,29,35x,63,70,82,90,610,611,612,737,810,812 *-610,611,612,737,810,812 being replaced with regular Improved Fixed Route Service. BusPlus (Implemented April 3, 2011) - Routes 1,55,55x New Routes 1,355,530,531,532,905. 532 Eliminated. Southern Rensselaer County (Implemented May 24,2009) - Routes 5,14,15,24,33,33x,ShuttleBee. New Routes 214,224(September 27,2009),232,233,520,620. Eliminated 232 and 620. Saratoga County Route Restructuring (Implemented July 2, 2007) - Routes 50,71,72,73,75. New Routes 50,471,472,473,875. In November, 474 and 870 Created. 471, 474, and 870 Eliminated. Schenectady County Route Restructuring (Implemented May 23, 2010) - Routes 51,52,53,54,59,61,62,66,77 New Routes 351,352,353,354,358. 358 Eliminated. NX Restrucuring - Route 540 *-Public meetings on this are this week July 17-19. North Troy Route Consolidation - Routes 80 and 85, 224 possibly looked at for the Southern portion. Notes: -86 and 89 became 286 and 289 in September 27, 2009 not part of any restructuring, 224 came along with is instead of May 24,2009 as stated because 224,286,289 all belong to Troy Division and this was the ONLY pick(September 27th) the 224 was out of Albany it went back to Troy the following pick. - 280 created from 80 split August 28,2010 -Fly and Bug Restructuring became 610,611, and 612. Not considered a restructuring just part of the November 14, 2010 pick. |
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Posted by MountainDewMan24 on Mon Jul 16 09:20:27 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Mon Jul 16 08:58:51 2012. How will the #70 bus change? Will it run the same way as now?I actually ride the #70 to get between Schenectady and Albany, because I do not like the #905. I ride the #70 from Schenectady to Latham Farms, then transfer to the #29 to get to Downtown Albany. The reason why I do not like the #905 is because it is too much like the old #55, too crowded and full of riff-raff, etc. The #70 is more relaxing and less busy. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Mon Jul 16 10:12:50 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Sat Jul 14 14:17:13 2012. On the plus side, 2086 was on the 6 line this morning. |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Jul 16 11:41:05 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by Mr. D - Type on Mon Jul 16 10:12:50 2012. Block 602 is always going to have an Orion, I think that's your best bet of getting an Orion ALL day long. The Phase 2 plan is still being developed it was supposed to be released in May but as you can see major delays so they released the NX Restructuring first. Word of mouth, not reliable but I was told extend the 70 back to RPI with increased frequency and cut the 90 back to Lathem Farms like the old 17. CDTA's problem as they keep saying for the past 5 years they've been getting requests for 7 day service on the 70/90 but they strongly feel ridership won't be enough, they feel all the ridership is gonna be on EITHER Saturday or Sunday not BOTH, that's why they haven't added it yet. The Express Bus Study shows the 19/21 will be combined into the 719, the Western Ave portion of the 21 will be replaced by the 63 (new 763) once it hits Crossgates jump on the highway like the 21 to Albany no more Madison Ave portion of the 63. The 10 might be extended to 20 Mall at all times to replace Shuttle service with new routing just the like 12 did being extended to Walmart. |
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Posted by MountainDewMan24 on Mon Jul 16 13:15:35 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Mon Jul 16 11:41:05 2012. Ok, so the #70 will still run from Schenectady to Troy, so I can still ride the #70 from Schenectady, like I am doing?What about the #29 bus? Will that stay the same? |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Jul 16 19:24:04 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by MountainDewMan24 on Mon Jul 16 13:15:35 2012. None of this is FINAL its just ideas thrown around. The 29 is going to be cut it will only go Cohoes to Lathem Farms. Nobody rides it on the Loudon Rd side so they're thinking on beefing up 116 service so Northern Blvs/Albany Memorial doesn't loose anything. They want Cohoes people to take the 29 then 90 to the 1. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Mon Jul 16 19:29:15 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Mon Jul 16 19:24:04 2012. That is of no benefit to Cohoes people and is quite roundabout. I also think that there is some interest of service on US 9, just that the current setup discourages ridership.It's amazing to see how much Cohoes has taken it on the chin from CDTA and they just don't seem to care. I can understand Loudounville save for Siena but still! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 16 20:10:22 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Mon Jul 16 19:24:04 2012. ! Nobody rides it on Loudon Rd? The 35' NABIs are SRO at Henry Johnson in the AMs... no one is going to do that roundabout crap, they'll just drive. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Mon Jul 16 20:17:52 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 16 20:10:22 2012. If anything, there should be more service on Loudon Road, not none. If anything, split the two into a Downtown-Latham Farms route and a Cohoes route that goes express to downtown during rush and to Latham Farms midday/weekends. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 16 20:21:21 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 16 20:10:22 2012. To clarify my statement:It's like saying since nobody gets on at Fuller Road, the 90 should end at Colonie Ctr and people who want UAlbany and Crossgates should take the 1/905 to the 12. The Loudon Road part makes the bus almost as convenient as driving, since it is direct. That no one gets on probably *helps* since it makes the commute time shorter... and the stops are there for the few people going to the buildings along the way, just like the Fuller Rd. part of the 90. Almost everything I'm hearing about Phase II leads me to "bad idea"... or maybe I was spoiled by how perfect Phase I was. This, the 10 extension to 20 Mall (the route is already way too long to run reliably) and the elimination of Madison/Western Ave service to Schenectady (remember when there was talk of making this route an all day route?). |
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Posted by MountainDewMan24 on Mon Jul 16 20:31:12 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Mon Jul 16 19:24:04 2012. If they cut the #29, how will #70 riders get to Albany, will we all have to ride the #70 and #22 to Albany.How is it to get between Schenectady and Albany and avoid the Rt. 5 corridor? |
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Posted by MountainDewMan24 on Mon Jul 16 20:33:55 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by MountainDewMan24 on Mon Jul 16 20:31:12 2012. Right now I am taking the #70 to Latham Farms, and transfer to the #29 when I go between Schenectady and Albany.Will I have find a new way to get to Albany (i.e. #70 and #22)??? |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Jul 16 21:54:41 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by MountainDewMan24 on Mon Jul 16 20:33:55 2012. This is all talk again nothing finalized, this all came about because Albany Division wanted to take the 29 and 90 from Troy Division and send the 70 to Troy Division but Troy said no, Albany fought it and Troy won. So everything posted previously were ideas based on this depot swap, but now that its not happening nobody knows now whats going to happen yet. The 22 is staying the same with added frequencies on weekends. The only thing is the "State Workers" want to have all service go to ESP after 7 and not Greyhound. They've been getting complaints from State Workers saying that they don't feel safe walking down the hill when they work late. But I feel that's pointless when not every worker works late every single night to warrant the ridership demand. Though CDTA wants it to have one end terminal not two. So it's kinda hard have all service go to ESP or to Greyhound? |
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Posted by MountainDewMan24 on Mon Jul 16 22:09:32 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Mon Jul 16 21:54:41 2012. Ok..I am just looking for ways I can get between Schenectady and Albany and 100% avoid taking Central Ave.I mean I refuse to ride the #905, #355 or the #1 because of all the riff-raff.. I am fine as long as I can take the #70 and #22, which you mentioned would still work. The #29 was just a nice short-cut for me, since I could transfer to the #29 at Latham Farms (which is closer to Schenectady than transferring to the #22 in Waterviliet). I actually live closest to Upper Union St, so taking the #70 to go east is easier for me anyways. |
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Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012 |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Jul 16 22:42:14 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by MountainDewMan24 on Mon Jul 16 22:09:32 2012. Did you go to any of these meetings regarding these changes? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 16 23:19:08 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Mon Jul 16 21:54:41 2012. The only thing is the "State Workers" want to have all service go to ESP after 7 and not Greyhound.For state workers working late, there's "second shift" employees but during certain times of the year (ie: Legislature in session), the usually-9-to-5 folk might be detained until past midnight. And while it's true that the majority are state workers, cutting out the ESP part of the 22 also cuts out those who board at Washington & Swan, which are the office workers from "the rest" of downtown Albany. When the turnaround moves to Greyhound half of the business district loses [direct] service. |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Jul 16 23:34:35 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 16 23:19:08 2012. That is true, but don't you think 22's are going to be dead after 7 up there, the 114 doesn't even get enough ridership at that stop alone. What do you think is going to happen when they turn Greyhound into a major bus terminal like Port Authority and have all Downtown City Buses Terminate there. Besides they will still have an improved 35x still stopping there and the 24, making connections to Broadway won't be that hard, when many of them are Troy bound. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 17 00:26:45 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Mon Jul 16 23:34:35 2012. What do you think is going to happen when they turn Greyhound into a major bus terminal like Port Authority and have all Downtown City Buses Terminate there.That set up doesn't really work when the target city has nothing for the buses to feed... the only way the bus system is attractive to the motorist types is if it is a one seat ride. As for the ESP stop, I agree that it is dead most days after 6. Some of that could be chicken-egg, in that no one expects there to be buses there, but mainly there is no *real* demand there. I was just explaining why there could be some complaints from state workers. I figure the thought process goes like this: "if for 2 weeks a year I can't get a bus after work, I have to pay for a parking space. And if I've gone and done that, may as well drive every time." Yes that is flawed logic (ie: just use visitor parking for those 2 weeks) but it's still how most people seem to think up here... |
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Posted by MountainDewMan24 on Tue Jul 17 05:46:46 2012, in response to Re: CDTA Update 7/7/2012, posted by BusRider on Mon Jul 16 22:42:14 2012. No I did not attend any of the meetings.I just cannot imagine having no bus service on Rt. 9 between Downtown Albany and Latham Farms. What about Siena College students and faculty? They depend on the #29 bus to get to Siena College. There are also many state workers who park & ride at Latham Farms, then ride the #29 down to Downtown Albany. |
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