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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Jul 2 15:00:25 2012, in response to S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon Jul 2 14:51:11 2012. Did they really forget about the S46, which runs through two public housing projects and is predominately in the North Shore area? I'm surprised that route isn't number 1, but whatever. |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jul 2 17:15:17 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by LRG5784 on Mon Jul 2 15:00:25 2012. Technically, the S44 also passes through 2 housing projects: Richmond Terrace & Cassidy-Lafayette. (Of course, Cassidy-Lafayette is a seniors-only project. LOL)In any case, I have a hard time believing the S44 gets more farebeaters than the S46 (just based on experience alone). Especially considering the following lines in this article: "The line, running between the St. George Ferry Terminal and the Staten Island Mall, has the highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, a knowledgeable transit source tells me." "But the average rate of fare evasion for all routes covering Staten Island is nearly 20% — higher than those in all other boroughs, another transit source said." "The source wouldn’t specify the percentage of S44 riders who were observed boarding without paying in the MTA’s most recent round of surveys." I have a feeling the "source" is that stupid survey taken by the SI Advance, but they know it's a stupid source, so that's why they don't want to specify it. I have a hard time believing it's also higher on SI than The Bronx. |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Jul 2 20:10:02 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jul 2 17:15:17 2012. While I do believe that Staten Island has a high farebeating problem, I don't think it's that high either.I also find it difficult that the S74 is number two on the list. Yes it goes through Stapleton but it doesn't cut through Park Hill proper, like the S76 does. Maybe the lowlives that used the S76 in Park Hill on weekends flocked onto the S74 because weekend service was eliminated in 2010. If the MTA actually released the data as to how many people do not pay/pay in full, then we'd have better figures to work with. While not every bus operator presses the F5 button, making the results skewed, it's better than relying on the SI Advance's more skewed results. |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jul 2 21:28:49 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by LRG5784 on Mon Jul 2 20:10:02 2012. Yeah, I have a feeling that they picked and chose the times and locations where they suurveyed the routes. For all we know, they could've gotten on a tripper and said that the S__ has a 100% fare evasion rate (I mean, I've been on trippers where I was the only one who dipped in a Student MetroCard).A less extreme example would be if they rode say, the S54 from Broadway & Richmond Terrace to say, Castleton & Clove, got off, and then took the S53 to Castleton & Broadway. Yeah, they set foot on the bus, but they rode it in the portion where fare evasion is highest and made it seem as if the whole route is like that. As for the S74, it does serve the Stapleton Houses, so I guess that kind of increases the farebeating rate a little bit, though I have a very hard time believing it's second in the city. (Who am I kidding, I think that's complete BS that it's second in the city, after the S44 no less). |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore line on Mon Jul 2 22:38:36 2012, in response to S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon Jul 2 14:51:11 2012. Here's a few facts about the god-forsaken S44 route:-Well, it also happens that the S44 route is also highly unreliable and has been for most of the last decade since being moved to Yukon. That is no excuse to not pay, but it wasn't that long ago that the buses could not make an entire run without breaking down (remember the 9500s?) or runs being cut entirely with no notice to riders. The S44 has scheduling problems with the ferry in that they consistently arrive a minute or two after the ferry departs. The "44" in S44 once stood for how long one would be waiting at minimum for a bus to show. -The S44 used to have lower headways but service was very poor on the MTA's part and as such service levels have decreased to what it is now. I believe they now offer the bare minimum service on the S44 these days but led in part to all the fare-beating unfortunately. -There are not enough places to purchase at least $4.50 metrocards along the S44 route and no location at the Staten Island Mall to purchase metrocards or even break change for the bus. The S44 does not run to Eltingville Transit Center, the only location on SI besides St. George that houses Metrocard Vending Machines. -The S44 serves many, many schools public and private, along its route which contributes to it's unreliability as well as apparent fare-beating because students are lazily not swiping their student metrocards. -To improve conditions for riders and drivers on the S44 route, I suggest a few articulated buses for Yukon Depot to run on the S44 to reduce bus bunching at various times. The S44 to SI Mall would run every 20 minutes with articulated buses. Between Port Richmond and St. George, regular 40ft buses from Castleton Depot would cover short-turn S44s (freeing up more buses for the S79 SBS). Overnight hours, run the S44 between Eltingville Transit Center and St George replacing S59 service after 10pm or so and giving Richmond Avenue riders 24/7 bus service for the first time since the 1990s. -Although fare-beating is awful in any sense, in this case the MTA played a role by providing dismal service. Routes that have better service provided also have significantly lower fare-beating levels, such as the S46 and S48. The S44 and S74 have always been two unreliable routes for many years and I believe that fare-beating is mostly an effect of that and not a cause. "Attention passengers at St. George, the S44 and S74 broke down on route to St. George. The next bus will arrive at.....", Those days are not far behind us. Comments? |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jul 3 02:40:04 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by (SIR) North Shore line on Mon Jul 2 22:38:36 2012. * The S44 never ran more frequently than it does today, with the exception of the AM rush (I think only ferry-bound)* I agree the scheduling problems (not just coordination with the ferry, but in general) should be fixed. * I don't think lack of availability of MetroCards is an issue. You could always pick one up at the corner deli, even if it's up along Castleton Avenue or something. (And if you're thinking of extending it to the ETC, that will lead to uneven loading with the S59, but it doesn't look like you are) * Not sure about the short-turn idea (I understand it, but I don't know if it'll work) * The S79 +SBS+ will just have regular buses. * Like I said, you have one crappy newspaper getting its information from another crappy newspaper. You're not honestly going to believe that the S44 & S74 have the highest rates of farebeating in the whole damn city. How the S44 gets on that list but not the S46 is beyond me. The S46 easily exceeds the S44 as far as percentage of farebeaters goes. Maybe it's by a smaller margin than I think, but it's definitely higher on the S46. Part of it might be because of the more frequent service (Somebody walks by and says "Eh, the bus is passing by, so I might as well jump on", whereas on a less frequent route like the S44, that won't happen). Now, the S48 I can sort of agree with you, though it's not nonexistant. Do crappy service levels contribute to the problem? Maybe a little, but that's not the major cause. |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 3 04:57:23 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by (SIR) North Shore line on Mon Jul 2 22:38:36 2012. A 20 minute bus headway does not work out with a 30 minute ferry headway. |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Tue Jul 3 06:35:12 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by (SIR) North Shore line on Mon Jul 2 22:38:36 2012. There's no reason that there shouldn't be some Metrocard machines at the Staten Island Mall, or given its location adjacent to three major shopping centers, outside the Yukon Depot. |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Jul 3 07:51:40 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jul 2 21:28:49 2012. The SI fare evasion numbers may be high because it might be a more honest count, with all it's flaws, of fare evaders compared to the other boroughs. |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jul 3 09:13:05 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 3 04:57:23 2012. I think he's saying to have it run every 20 minutes from the mall, but 10 minutes from Port Richmond. Relatively few people ride it all the way out from areas past Port Richmond to the ferry. (That's why I said "I'm not sure if it'll work". |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Tue Jul 3 10:19:20 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 3 04:57:23 2012. Well, the S74 operates every 20 minutes during midday hours. Not sure why. |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Tue Jul 3 10:20:18 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by (SIR) North Shore line on Mon Jul 2 22:38:36 2012. Not all buses operate like the S44. |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Tue Jul 3 13:29:33 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by Dan on Tue Jul 3 07:51:40 2012. Also there are less people in Staten Island compared to the outer boroughs. |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jul 3 16:09:40 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by LRG5784 on Tue Jul 3 10:19:20 2012. And the S40 does as well. (And the S51 had 20 minute headways middays, then it went down to 15 minutes, and back up to 20 minutes). For the S40, it looks like it helps with the cycle time (It has about 35 minutes of runtime, so with a 5 minute layover, it has a cycle time of 40 minutes, which means you need 4 buses to maintain that 20 minute headway. If it ran every 15 minutes, you'd probably have to have 10 minutes of layover (45 minute cycle time), which means it would take 6 buses to maintain that headway.I guess as a cost-saving measure, the MTA could try interlining it with another route at St. George (maybe the S51, and give both routes 15 minute headways). |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 3 16:36:52 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by Dan on Tue Jul 3 07:51:40 2012. Perhaps people feel its okay not to pay or not pay in full because the service is so poor in SI. Not implying it is right to do that. |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Tue Jul 3 20:22:17 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 3 16:36:52 2012. That's no excuse. I'm glad bus operators are starting to challenge people like this because it hurts the people who do pay. |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by Brooklyn67 on Tue Jul 3 20:49:33 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by LRG5784 on Tue Jul 3 20:22:17 2012. No. Bus drivers shouldn't be challenging anyone. They should be "reminding" folks who hadn't yet paid the fare, when it is safe to do so, as mandated. |
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Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Tue Jul 3 21:31:32 2012, in response to Re: S44 bus in Staten Island has highest fare-evasion rate of all routes surveyed by the MTA, posted by Brooklyn67 on Tue Jul 3 20:49:33 2012. Guess every driver is different. If it were me behind the wheel, I'd advise the lowlives of the crackdown going on so they'll be alert. |
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