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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Jun 22 20:50:34 2012, in response to NICE in dire shape, posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Jun 22 20:03:34 2012. The big deal is CNG tanks on the MTA V CNGs have expiration dates.Besides even if the CNGs tanks wasn't a issue the MTA shouldn't give NICE a damn thing unless they wanna pay for it. |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Fri Jun 22 21:02:56 2012, in response to NICE in dire shape, posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Jun 22 20:03:34 2012. Lots of rumors that the MTA will be back.Bets are between 1-3 years. Been speaking to several ex-LIBUS people who still have contacts that stayed with NICE and they are having parts ordering problems, repairing buses and personnel problems. There are many biting on the chomp to return, thats for sure. |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Fri Jun 22 21:13:51 2012, in response to NICE in dire shape, posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Jun 22 20:03:34 2012. [Those MTA CNG Orion V's sitting idle really should be given to us!!] Why? How is Nassau County "entitled" to them? [I know its not MTA here anymore but they are not proving anything except leaving Nassau riders sitting in the heat for hours.] Remember that Nassau County (as client) fired the MTA (as contractor) specifically because the contractor didn't want to keep subsidizing the client. The "Nassau riders sitting in the heat for hours" should have thought about such things before the County decided to de-fund its own bus system. |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Jun 22 21:20:26 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by mr mabstoa on Fri Jun 22 21:02:56 2012. I sure hope the MTA comes back. But they will need to paid properly by the county. I've heard rumors some guys just quit in the middle of their run (like the buses..lol).I think Veolia is quickly finding out they aren't getting enough $$ to even keep the buses in running shape, let alone make a profit. I can't wait till the next DOT fleet inspection! |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Jun 22 21:21:35 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Fri Jun 22 21:13:51 2012. Well Veolia has the money for cameras, why not buy those buses from the MTA?Second hand buses are cheaper than new ones. |
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Posted by B53RICH on Fri Jun 22 21:31:17 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Jun 22 21:21:35 2012. How reliable are second hands? If they start having mechanical problems, will you complain that Nassau should never had bought them over new buses? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jun 22 21:41:11 2012, in response to NICE in dire shape, posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Jun 22 20:03:34 2012. This is no charity.This is business. If NICE wants the retired NYCT NF's, let 'em buy 'em. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jun 22 21:42:48 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jun 22 21:41:11 2012. That goes for the retired MTA bus Orion V CNG's too. |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Jun 22 21:51:41 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jun 22 21:41:11 2012. I'm sure the fair market value will be much lower than new buses. I know NICE is going to get about 40 3G's by fall, but that won't be enough to replace all of the ex-300s Orion V CNG's.The funny thing is NICE was going to sell some of those, I dont know who would buy them! |
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Posted by mac5689 on Fri Jun 22 21:56:27 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Jun 22 21:21:35 2012. But depending on where they got the money to by the cameras, if the money is coming from internally then they could change what they use the money for, but if its coming from an external source then they can't very well change what they can spend it on.Besides isn't NICE suppose to be getting new buses at the end of the year anyway? |
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Posted by mac5689 on Fri Jun 22 22:01:16 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Jun 22 21:51:41 2012. Who said all the buses planed on being retired need to be replaced, unless they need to be to make service. I mean look at Suffolk back in 2010 they ordered 81 Orion VII but retired 89 buses, meaning that 8 buses weren't replaced. |
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Posted by Train2104 on Fri Jun 22 22:43:51 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Jun 22 21:20:26 2012. I can't wait till the next DOT fleet inspection!Good point!!! |
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Posted by Train2104 on Fri Jun 22 22:47:56 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by B53RICH on Fri Jun 22 21:31:17 2012. As much as I don't like that the MTA bought ex-WBL buses, I think NICE should do the same thing. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Jun 22 22:49:52 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by Train2104 on Fri Jun 22 22:47:56 2012. Does NICE have the money to do this if it were possible? |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Fri Jun 22 23:07:10 2012, in response to NICE in dire shape, posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Jun 22 20:03:34 2012. Weren't there severe storms on the island today and bad traffic issues? Perhaps your 'breakdown #2' and 'breakdown #3' might have been behind schedule. |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Jun 22 23:38:02 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by RailBus63 on Fri Jun 22 23:07:10 2012. Well I never saw them and I was watching the n27 route for over an hour.The 4:30pm n27 from Roslyn to Glen Cove does the 5:05pm to HTC, since they use the same bus they never showed. The 4:40pm n27 from HTC to Glen Cove never passed thru either, and the one behind it (5:10pm from HTC) was 20 min late. If there wasn't a breakdown, then all the interlining could aggrivate the delays. But I know the 4:40pm from HTC is the beginning of that driver's shift because she told me, thats why she's usually stuck with an old bus, which is mostly all they have available from the PM ppl. Probably broke down. The 4:30pm not so sure where that one comes from, always thought that comes in as a 27 from Glen Cove to Roslyn. All I know is that had to be a mess, the 5:05pm n27 (busy run)no show, so the 5:35pm which is busy enough has no leader, and the next n27 straight through is the 6:26pm (the 5:10 out of HTC) running 20 min late! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jun 23 06:16:18 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Jun 22 23:38:02 2012. You're ASSuming breakdowns John.As noted, traffic was a disaster yesterday. The rains bought traffic to a virtual standstill during and after since it took time for the water to drain off. You had buses running on their followers times, and they probably lost even more time to get on the next followers time. Case in point: going home yesterday, my B57 arrived 15 minutes late, which is on his followers time. The 20 minute trip took 35 minutes, now he's on the next guys time. I make that trip in the morning in just 15 minutes. Couple all that to regularly unrealistically low running and recovery times and the fact that no matter what these times were yesterday it wouldn't have made any difference and you have a recipe for a performance disaster. Maybe you should follow/ride an individual driver for an entire shift instead of piecemeal looking for individual intervals for OTP and you'll see how hard it is for these guys to stay on time, especially on the PM. |
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Posted by Train2104 on Sat Jun 23 09:54:43 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jun 23 06:16:18 2012. Even if the second and third breakdowns prove to be fake, the first one that was recorded on video proves the lack of maintenance. At the end the driver says that he turned the A/C off and its still doing this.Also note how much faster the NG's took the hills in Roslyn. |
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Posted by Bx36Ltd on Sat Jun 23 21:08:27 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Fri Jun 22 21:13:51 2012. Well said man |
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Posted by caine515 on Sun Jun 24 10:39:24 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by Bx36Ltd on Sat Jun 23 21:08:27 2012. Isn't NICE due new Orion buses before the end of the summer? If you can hold out till then maybe this will help.B49-#4605-Orion NG |
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Posted by Train2104 on Sun Jun 24 20:31:14 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by caine515 on Sun Jun 24 10:39:24 2012. I think they're due in September. |
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Posted by BrianB on Mon Jun 25 11:18:36 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by Train2104 on Sat Jun 23 09:54:43 2012. Even if the second and third breakdowns prove to be fake, the first one that was recorded on video proves the lack of maintenance. At the end the driver says that he turned the A/C off and its still doing this.Also note how much faster the NG's took the hills in Roslyn. Umm, the NG's are better on hills because their motors have a lot more torque and horsepower. The problem with CNG has always been the quality of the fuel, and how good the spark plugs are. IF they are not replacing them on a timely basis, the engine will run poorly Brian Bradford Kennewick, WA formerly of NYC |
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Posted by mac5689 on Mon Jun 25 13:46:33 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by Train2104 on Sun Jun 24 20:31:14 2012. I heard between Fall 2012 to Winter 2013. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Jun 25 19:40:33 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by mr mabstoa on Fri Jun 22 21:02:56 2012. Lots of rumors that the MTA will be back.Bets are between 1-3 years. If this is true and pans out, then all those NICE timetables will be collectors items ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by mac5689 on Mon Jun 25 20:51:02 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Jun 25 19:40:33 2012. If it is true then I expect that there would be a big lawsuit from Veolia. Assuming that Nassau doesn't have a clause where they can termaniate the contract if Veolia provides bad service. |
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Posted by Train2104 on Mon Jun 25 21:27:15 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by mac5689 on Mon Jun 25 20:51:02 2012. The contract can be terminated by Veolia if they...a) fail or refuse to provide service b) violate County orders c) abandon the contract d) file for bankruptcy e) fail to pay debts f) violate a law with relation to the contract or service (DOT?) g) fail to indemnify parties indicated in the contract h) fail to correct rejected work i) their officials are convicted of a crime j) the TAC fails to approve service cuts/fare hikes k) the County breaks the contract. These are the ONLY reasons for which Veolia can terminate. The County can terminate for any reason they want upon 90 days notice. If Veolia doesn't fulfill its contract, they are to keep running buses at their own expense until the county finds another operator. Starting July 1 the county can assess liquidated damages/award incentives for OTP, missed runs, accidents, and paratransit customers per hour. The standard used will be the MTA's. (why do you think they tried so hard to improve paratransit passengers per hour?)  |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon Jun 25 22:09:46 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by Train2104 on Mon Jun 25 21:27:15 2012. Are you sure you don't have those terms reversed? |
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Posted by Train2104 on Mon Jun 25 22:14:18 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon Jun 25 22:09:46 2012. In that the county can terminate for whatever they want but Veolia must follow a specific set of reasons? No, that's taken right out of the contract. Unless I'm misinterpreting it...Primary source (page 60) |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon Jun 25 22:25:54 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by Train2104 on Mon Jun 25 22:14:18 2012. Yeah, you've got it backwards. Veolia can terminate if the county fails to pay; the County can terminate if Veolia fails to meet the performance benchmarks. They can also terminate by mutual agreement. |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon Jun 25 22:28:47 2012, in response to Re: NICE in dire shape, posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon Jun 25 22:25:54 2012. Specifically, the section withthe listing you posted is entitled 'Termination for default of Veolia by the County' |
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