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Posted by mac5689 on Wed Jun 20 08:14:06 2012, in response to Bus fare hike for disabled in Suffolk fails, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jun 20 01:07:36 2012. The matter isn't done yet, I could have sworn I heard on the radio that this matter will be reviwed.I can't see how they can improve SCAT's scheduling as they schedule pick ups after riders make resavations. Also SCAT is going to be implementing new policy's next month that deal with excessive no-shows and a short time period to make resavations. I don't get how Legis. Schneiderman was so gun ho to raise the fares on fixed routes yet he doesn't want to raise it for SCAT. I mean not all disabled people ride SCAT. What they should do is raise the fare and get rid of the 3/4th of a mile rule, because currenly, a disabled person could be spending nearly 4.00's a day to get from point A to point B anyway. (Rules say that a SCAT rider can be dropped off at a ST stop if the route is close to their end point or something like that. So $.75 Cent on Fixed route + $3.00 is $3.75) |
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Posted by Train2104 on Wed Jun 20 08:22:00 2012, in response to Re: Bus fare hike for disabled in Suffolk fails, posted by mac5689 on Wed Jun 20 08:14:06 2012. Getting rid of the 3/4 mile route would be cost prohibitive, as that would mean serving all parts of the county 7 days a week."Feeder paratransit" (taking the rider to a fixed route stop) exists out in Suffolk? It works really well in NYC, but once headways are hourly or worse, it isn't the smartest thing to do. Paratransit efficiency is very hard to obtain, but there are some ways of doing it, namely converting low ridership routes (S90, 10-series, etc) to 3/4 mile deviated fixed route. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Jun 20 09:37:37 2012, in response to Re: Bus fare hike for disabled in Suffolk fails, posted by mac5689 on Wed Jun 20 08:14:06 2012. The 3/4 mile rule is part of the ADA and cannot be eliminated unless the fixed-route service is eliminated. |
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Posted by mac5689 on Wed Jun 20 10:05:57 2012, in response to Re: Bus fare hike for disabled in Suffolk fails, posted by RailBus63 on Wed Jun 20 09:37:37 2012. I wasn't aware it was a ADA rule, I thought it was a county rule because I don't recall any other Para Transit service mentioning that rule. |
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Posted by mac5689 on Wed Jun 20 10:25:33 2012, in response to Re: Bus fare hike for disabled in Suffolk fails, posted by Train2104 on Wed Jun 20 08:22:00 2012. "Feeder paratransit" (taking the rider to a fixed route stop) exists out in Suffolk?I can't find anything on it now, but I know a while back I read about how SCAT would transport riders from their homes to a bus stop for the route that went closest to their end point. Maybe they stopped doing that when they started to offer Origin to Destination service. (Origin to Destination service is service that will allow SCAT drivers to provide basic additional assistance to paratransit riders between curbside and building entrances) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 20 14:02:23 2012, in response to Re: Bus fare hike for disabled in Suffolk fails, posted by Train2104 on Wed Jun 20 08:22:00 2012. I never understood that. What happens to the walk-ups along the route?Like say I'm waiting for the S56 (Staten Island) at Woodrow Road/Foster Road, and it had to deviate to Vernon Avenue/Sheldon Avenue to pick somebody up. Would the driver be mandated to go back along the regular route, or could he potentially just go straight to Foster Road and leave me waiting another 30 minutes? (Of course, this is if the S56 were, indeed, a deviated route) |
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Posted by Train2104 on Wed Jun 20 16:45:44 2012, in response to Re: Bus fare hike for disabled in Suffolk fails, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 20 14:02:23 2012. They would go back along the regular route. No stops are missed in most deviated route operations. |
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Posted by Train2104 on Wed Jun 20 16:48:02 2012, in response to Re: Bus fare hike for disabled in Suffolk fails, posted by mac5689 on Wed Jun 20 10:05:57 2012. Depends on what agency you're dealing with. The ADA says minimum 3/4 mile from any fixed route. NJT and NICE are both systems that use that rule. Service beyond the 3/4 mile is not required and some agencies will charge additional fare (since ADA dictates that for within 3/4 mile, fare cannot be greater than 2x comparable fixed route fare). MBTA as of July 1 will do this.NYCT does all NYC destinations for the same fare. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 20 21:05:32 2012, in response to Re: Bus fare hike for disabled in Suffolk fails, posted by Train2104 on Wed Jun 20 16:48:02 2012. Out of curiosity, how strictly do you think they enforce that 3/4 of a mile rule? Do you think they go up into areas like Breezy Point or Todt Hill, because technically they are within city limits.And is it 3/4 of a mile in NYC, or 1/2 mile? |
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Posted by Train2104 on Wed Jun 20 22:06:46 2012, in response to Re: Bus fare hike for disabled in Suffolk fails, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 20 21:05:32 2012. In NYC its citywide. NICE, NJT, SCT is 3/4 mile. |
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Posted by mac5689 on Thu Jun 21 00:48:39 2012, in response to Re: Bus fare hike for disabled in Suffolk fails, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jun 20 21:05:32 2012. I have no idea, thought from the way that woman talked in the transcript I'd say that the rule is strictly enforced. |
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