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Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by caine515 on Sun Jun 17 19:03:59 2012

I don't know if this was reported back in the day. But i'm surprised why this didn't stop Blitz buses from being in service.
This occured on the VZ bridge if i remember with a 5500's Blitz express on the X1. Apparently some customer was sitting under where the back wheel was when the bottom gave out and the customer was injured in the eye permantly. I remember the 5500's Blitz being pulled from YUK and being sent to UP. But my question was why keep them in service if this occured? Anyone remember this?


S44-#4254-Orion NG
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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by David on Sun Jun 17 20:02:52 2012, in response to Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by caine515 on Sun Jun 17 19:03:59 2012.

They were sent all over the place -- Flatbush had some as well. They were removed from express service but were determined roadworthy for local service.

David

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by BigBusDriver on Sun Jun 17 20:18:50 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by David on Sun Jun 17 20:02:52 2012.

Yup. Hudson Pier even got a couple of them. And man, were they FAST!!!
The story is that the man was sitting opposite one of the rear duals when the airbag let loose and the Blitz dropped on the tires. The tires ate through the fiberglass (?) that made the rear dual covers and exploded it into the passenger compartment, permanantly blinding the poor commuter.


STILL
LOL@BLITZ 'BOMBS'

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by mci guy on Sun Jun 17 20:19:31 2012, in response to Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by caine515 on Sun Jun 17 19:03:59 2012.

the bus was 5567. the next day all were pulled off the road and rts buses were sent from all over the city to yukon to cover the loss. as david said ta sent them to other depots for local service. it happened in 1992. in may of 1993 orion express coaches arrived to replace them and in 1995 the blitz buses days were ended. the company that rebuilt them said they would be good for seven years and as usual ta didnt listen.

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by David on Sun Jun 17 20:23:39 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by BigBusDriver on Sun Jun 17 20:18:50 2012.

That story sounds about right.

I believe it happened on the Gowanus, not on the bridge.

David

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 17 21:21:21 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by David on Sun Jun 17 20:02:52 2012.

Fresh Pond got 3 in the 5530 series. 5534 was one of them. I rode all 3 at by the time they were done. They rode like a luxury car!

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 17 21:22:45 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by mci guy on Sun Jun 17 20:19:31 2012.

I thought it was 5570, maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe that was the highest # so that why it stuck out in my mind.

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by caine515 on Sun Jun 17 21:47:23 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 17 21:22:45 2012.

#5575 was the highest. My question is a accident like this why get rid of them from YUK but send them to local service?

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 17 21:54:04 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by caine515 on Sun Jun 17 21:47:23 2012.

The others were inspected and those that were saved did not have corrosion in the wheel well like the incident bus had.

I don't know the mindset of NYCT, but I'm sure SI'ers were not happy riding old express buses even before that incident. That incident certainly gave the buses a bad reputation and I doubt if any of them ever wanted to ride in one of them again.

IDK if all Blitz buses were pulled out of SI, but I doubt if passengers in other boroughs knew of the incident.

Just a hunch.

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Jun 17 22:12:43 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 17 21:21:21 2012.

When Blitzes arrived at MSBA, I "adopted" soft-seat #5549 and used it almost daily until it was retired. Kept it clean and the passengers loved MSBA's only soft-seat bus. I used it exclusively on the N20 and N21 for its final operating days. After its retirement someone sent me a photo of it at the scrapyard - I cried....

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Mon Jun 18 05:44:18 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by caine515 on Sun Jun 17 21:47:23 2012.

The "Blitz" fishbowls were numbered as follows:
1966: 5000-5022
1968: 5100-5134 - local; 5135-5159 express
1971: 5200-5284
1972: 5300-5404
1973: 5500-5527 - local; 5528-5576 express
FYI, it was 5567 that had that mishap on the VZ. I have a slide of it currently for sale on ebay (my ebay ID is nhrrlives) of it in the back of Walnut Base Shop after the mishap. The rear axle was missing and the rear end was sitting on jack stands.
I will be doing the next Urban Transit Club show on July 14. I plan to include that shot in the show as well as many other vintage NYC buses and subways. More details on the club website at www.utcny.org
There was one other fishbowl bus that got the rubber bumpers like the Blitz rebuilds (6957), which was sold with #6000 to a bus collector in California.

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Mon Jun 18 05:48:43 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Mon Jun 18 05:44:18 2012.

Note: 6957 was originally numbered 4504.

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by mci guy on Mon Jun 18 07:57:53 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by David on Sun Jun 17 20:23:39 2012.

right. the bus driver never drove again. its a sad story all around.

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by Manwithaplan on Mon Jun 18 18:56:13 2012, in response to Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by caine515 on Sun Jun 17 19:03:59 2012.

I remember that! An air bag blew where the passenger was sitting.
That side of the bus went dowm over the rear wheels and the tires
ate up the wheel housing which was suppose to be anodized aluminum,
but was redone with fiberglass. Huh!! The MTA wanted to keep it
under the cuff, so they sent those 5500's to Ulmer Park, and Hudson.
Not sure if they went to any other depots. I can tell you this, those
buses were fast.

MWAP

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by fishbowls4ever on Mon Jun 18 19:37:13 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by Manwithaplan on Mon Jun 18 18:56:13 2012.

What made them fast? Were they retrofited with 8v71 detroits ot 6v92 silvers?



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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by Manwithaplan on Mon Jun 18 20:26:06 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by fishbowls4ever on Mon Jun 18 19:37:13 2012.

Those buses were equipped with 6V-71's, but because some of the
5500's were used for express service, Blitz installed a 4-5/8
rear axle ratio which gave the bus a 4.82 final drive ratio.
This allowed these buses to travel at a higher speed then the other
Blitz buses. I am sure that the operators that drove these buses
out of Hudson and Ulmer Park Depots would agree that those 5500's
that were used at Yukon were fast buses. BTW, 5500-5527 were 5309's,
5528-5576 were 5310's--It was this group that were fast.
5556 (fire) and 5567 (traffic accident) were both destroyed.

MWAP

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by fishbowls4ever on Mon Jun 18 20:42:09 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by Manwithaplan on Mon Jun 18 20:26:06 2012.

Thank you MWAP always interested to read and learn new things about buses


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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon Jun 18 23:14:34 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by mci guy on Mon Jun 18 07:57:53 2012.

1992-93. The first Orion Vs were delivered to Staten Island after that, 93001-93072.

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon Jun 18 23:18:08 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 17 21:54:04 2012.

They were put into local service on SI as well. I rode them a few times on the s55, I was still in HS...

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by mci guy on Tue Jun 19 09:10:05 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon Jun 18 23:14:34 2012.

93002 was the first coach delivered. 93073. was at yukon and was at first bus festival. this hard seater never saw service in si and then went to stengel. deliverybegan in may 1993. the blitz incident occurred nov/dec 1992.

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by WayneJay on Tue Jun 19 09:36:53 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by mci guy on Tue Jun 19 09:10:05 2012.

93073 also had a brief stay at KB. It was the first Orion V I saw in service at KB. I guess it was there to train the B/O as shortly after it was at Stengel and KB's Orions (233-290, 298, 301-316)started showing up.

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Jun 19 11:50:10 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by mci guy on Tue Jun 19 09:10:05 2012.

I have photos of 93001 in Flatbush depot's rear yard. The late / great Alan Bromberger & I, photographed them and others prior to their going into service and renumbering.

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jun 19 19:35:38 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by mci guy on Tue Jun 19 09:10:05 2012.

Before Stengel, 93073 was at Fresh Pond, intended for service along with the entire lot that wound up at Stengel.

The assignment was altered when it was discovered that 93073 and her Orion V sisters would not fit thru the bus wash, had something to do with the right side mirror.

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by mci guy on Wed Jun 20 10:36:19 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jun 19 19:35:38 2012.

typical idiocy from the nycta.

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Jun 20 23:52:44 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by Manwithaplan on Mon Jun 18 20:26:06 2012.

5544 was also demolished (accident)
5229 was scrapped after it lost it's brakes, jumped the curb and plowed into scaffolding in midtown while on the M-104.

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Jun 20 23:54:08 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by WayneJay on Tue Jun 19 09:36:53 2012.

93074 also joined 93073 for a brief stay at KB.

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 21 00:03:03 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Jun 19 11:50:10 2012.

Please post them!!! I'd love to see photos of the Orion 5s in their heyday!

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Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870

Posted by TCO on Thu Jun 21 14:14:53 2012, in response to Re: Blitz mishap on VZ bridge back in the day-worse than the Grumman 870, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Jun 20 23:52:44 2012.

"Blitz #5229 was scrapped after it lost it's brakes, jumped the curb and plowed into scaffolding in midtown while on the M-104."

I remember watching the news and the driver was about 21 or 22 years old.

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