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Posted by Dan on Thu May 10 10:52:36 2012, in response to New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu May 10 01:20:13 2012. Don't see how you could prevent a bus from another state from picking up/dropping off passengers in NYC. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu May 10 12:24:45 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by Dan on Thu May 10 10:52:36 2012. You can't. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu May 10 13:05:45 2012, in response to New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu May 10 01:20:13 2012. Man, if only there commuter rail system had more coverage they wouldn't need all those buses, and no, I'm not hating on NJT as I know most of their rail system wasn't even built by them. |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Thu May 10 13:31:02 2012, in response to New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu May 10 01:20:13 2012. Not the ultimate solution but I suppose it can't hurt: NJ Transit ought to do more to promote usage of the GWB Bus Terminal on existing routes from Bergen County. They did this in the 1980's complete with a whole booklet on information about the terminal and the NJT and Red and Tan routes. The Port Authority is embarking on a refurbishment of the terminal... can't exactly see the point of this when usage is dwindling. |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Thu May 10 13:42:06 2012, in response to New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu May 10 01:20:13 2012. A key question still remains: Would New York officials permit NJ Transit to use the bus stops?They already do with the 120 and (assuming the article is also referring to the NY State government) the 196/197 |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu May 10 13:49:41 2012, in response to New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu May 10 01:20:13 2012. In midtown, people will end up spending more time waiting for their bus to get across down and into the tunnel than if they'd just go into the port to catch their bus. For downtown though, it makes sense. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu May 10 14:53:55 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu May 10 13:49:41 2012. There are sometimes delays waiting for the buses to find a bay in the terminal (at least from what I've heard). Somebody on another forum talked about a 30 minute backup to get into the terminal. Besides, I doubt they'd go all the way across town. They'd probably stp at 5th Avenue. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu May 10 15:40:18 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu May 10 14:53:55 2012. The target would presumably be Grand Central. NJT is big on regional connections. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu May 10 15:41:48 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by JohnnyMints on Thu May 10 13:31:02 2012. They want bus companies to take a second look. |
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Posted by Ble-nimx on Thu May 10 16:18:24 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by JAzumah on Thu May 10 12:24:45 2012. Yet a yonkers bound liberty lines bus can not drop off passengers in the Bronx? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu May 10 17:12:28 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by Ble-nimx on Thu May 10 16:18:24 2012. State vs FederalUnder federal authority, an interstate carrier also has intrastate authority along the route. So, New Jersey Transit has the right to run however many buses they want to Grand Central. The key is to find a stop location that can accomodate the operations they want without a lot of conflicts. They want to maintain a friendly relationship with NYCDOT. It would require more paperwork to add a BxM4C stop in the Bronx for Manhattan-Bronx traffic unless the MTA picked up the route. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 10 17:28:31 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by JohnnyMints on Thu May 10 13:31:02 2012. Actually NJT will, as soon as the uptown bus terminal is refurbished. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu May 10 23:10:57 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu May 10 14:53:55 2012. That is why NJT should seriously consider scheduling departures on the spot, at least by routes assigned to the garage (i.e., the first bus from Howell Depot to get to the terminal goes out on a 13x route, the first Wayne bus goes out on the next scheduled 19x or 161 departure, etc). |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu May 10 23:10:57 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu May 10 14:53:55 2012. That is why NJT should seriously consider scheduling departures on the spot, at least by routes assigned to the garage (i.e., the first bus from Howell Depot to get to the terminal goes out on a 13x route, the first Wayne bus goes out on the next scheduled 19x or 161 departure, etc). |
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Posted by Dekatyou on Thu May 10 23:13:52 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu May 10 14:53:55 2012. You can see the "bus traffic mess" during evening rush hour (3-5 PM) west of PABT. There are so many deadheading (to PABT) buses and NYC-bopund buses waiting for bus bay open and sometimes, you can see the bus dropping off people near PABT. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu May 10 23:32:33 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by JAzumah on Thu May 10 17:12:28 2012. BxM4C had a Bronx stop before at 138 St, it was discontinued years ago. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 11 00:04:16 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by Dekatyou on Thu May 10 23:13:52 2012. Yup, lots of folks getting let out at 11th/35th |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri May 11 00:45:54 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu May 10 23:10:57 2012. Do you know how hard that is to do? You would have to block all buses based on the longest route in the garage. That could be a problem. |
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Posted by NJT Oradell on Fri May 11 07:21:37 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 11 00:04:16 2012. As long as NYS doesn't allow NYC to restrict auto traffic in the midtown area south of Central Park then putting more commuter buses on the streets doing pick ups and drop offs is just going to add to the near gridlock conditions now present in rush hour. Except for buses leaving the PABT from the suburban and short haul levels there is no good way to access the Lincoln Tunnel in the afternoon rush. And buses returning to storage lots in the city or New Jersey after finishing trips to mid town or downtown will lose time attempting to negotiate street traffic to and around the tunnel. Lax enforcement by PA police would have to be addressed as well, since street level tunnel access isn't always kept clear for buses approaching the tunnel.The PABT is woefully unable to handle current loads but putting buses in the street isn't the answer. Buses back up getting into the PABT in the afternoon because there's no good way to time your arrival given traffic at and around the tunnel, so the buses back up until something goes wrong inbound at the Lincoln and then the commuters back up waiting for late buses. And historically, people don't want a long subway ride uptown to access the GWBBT either, so that isn't going to happen to any great degree. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 11 10:07:20 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by NJT Oradell on Fri May 11 07:21:37 2012. Spot on |
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Posted by andy on Fri May 11 13:30:51 2012, in response to New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu May 10 01:20:13 2012. Not a bad idea, but first get rid of those mini-buses to Paterson and North Bergen that clog up midtown near the PABT right now. What authority do those buses have anyway? Seems to me they're skimming traffic from NJT. |
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Posted by NJT Oradell on Sat May 12 12:24:11 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by andy on Fri May 11 13:30:51 2012. Those mini buses are legal enough to operate without penalty, although various police departments will stop and inspect them for defects, frequently putting them out of service. As for skimming NJT passengers, that's exactly what they do. There are NJT lines now that carry a small fraction of the passengers they carried before the mini's showed up.But they are a little cheaper and they run more often, and they have vehicle to vehicle communications to warn each other where the NJT buses are, so people will ride them, some even preferring them to the buses. In the beginning they used 15 passenger vans, but as they became more popular they have gotten bigger and bigger vehicles. In some places they use full size buses, albeit not heavy duty transit buses. When NJT could have eliminated them legally years ago, they lacked the knowledge and fortitude to do so. But now they are legally permitted to operate, it's almost impossible to get rid of them. And in this deregulated age, they are allowed to do so, they need only declare what their routes are. NYC has a similar problem in places. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat May 12 13:07:01 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by andy on Fri May 11 13:30:51 2012. I wonder how high the 171 ridership would be if those mini buses didn't exist? When I fanned it I see those little roach buses all up and down the 171 route. It probably could have shorter headways than once a hour. I like that route but the headways are a turn off.I wonder the same thing about the B41 & B46 here in NYC. Those routes already have great ridership but it could be better if the dollar vans didn't exist. :( |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Sat May 12 21:32:14 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat May 12 13:07:01 2012. I have a 171 schedule from about 10-12 years ago. If I find it, I'll scan it and you can see how much it's been brutalized. |
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Posted by NJT Oradell on Sun May 13 12:21:14 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by JohnnyMints on Sat May 12 21:32:14 2012. I seem to remember 15 minute service on the 171 a long time ago. Very popular then with the folks going over to Washington Heights to obtain illegal substances.... |
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Posted by Flxible4life on Sun May 13 13:51:48 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by NJT Oradell on Sun May 13 12:21:14 2012. Also, the line use to have an express - 171x by - passing the heart of Fairlawn and continuing on Rte.4 (Broadway). |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun May 13 15:08:44 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat May 12 13:07:01 2012. The thing is that a lot of those passengers are riding to the subway, which means they are using a transfer and the MTA isn't getting additional money for the ridership, so the MTA is actually glad that they don't have to run extra service. |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Sun May 13 22:17:13 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by NJT Oradell on Sun May 13 12:21:14 2012. Yup. 15 minutes and every 20-30 minutes on weekends. |
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Posted by Flxible4life on Mon May 14 22:01:06 2012, in response to Re: New Jersey DOT chief: Buses should make more stops in NYC, posted by JohnnyMints on Sun May 13 22:17:13 2012. Look gentlemen, Certain Academy trips and Coach USA- Suburban and Shortline are running in MidTown. Why can't NJT? Every NJ to NYC route from every run can't go across MidTown 42nd ST. and 34th ST because of the traffic... which is understandable. They should have selected trips from certain routes during rush hour or whatever the case may be to access Midtown and alleviate bus congestion at the P.A.B.T |
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