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North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 26 11:48:32 2012

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The data is in New Flyer's Annual Information Form

2012 report: page 10; Pdf link
2011 data
New Flyer: 35%
Gillig: 30%
Nova Bus: 16%
Orion: 9%
NABI: 9%
Other: 1%
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Active Buses by Manufacturer
New Flyer: 30%
Gillig: 19%
Orion: 14%
NABI: 9%
Nova Bus: 7%
OEM no longer in business: 9%
Other: 12%


Note: Wall Street Journal reported: "Daimler has a market share in the North American bus market of around 7.7%."



2011 report: page 10; pdf link
2010 data
New Flyer: 34%
Gillig: 27%
Nova Bus: 17%
Orion: 12%
NABI: 10%
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Active Buses by Manufacturer
New Flyer: 27%
Gillig: 17%
Orion: 14%
NABI: 9%
Nova Bus: 8%
OEM no longer in business: 14%
Other: 11%




2010 report: page 18; pdf link

Top 25 largest TA data in 2009
New Flyer: 37%
Gillig: 27%
Orion: 17%
Nova: 10%
NABI: 10%
Other: 2%

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 26 11:55:18 2012, in response to North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 26 11:48:32 2012.

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What is NABI doing besides NJT ?

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 26 12:02:53 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 26 11:55:18 2012.

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LA Metro is NABI's bitch.

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 26 12:07:24 2012, in response to North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 26 11:48:32 2012.

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Compare the numbers in 2011-2012 report:
Gillig: 11%
New Flyer +1%
Nova Bus: +9%
NABI: unchanged
Orion: -5%


WTF happen to Orion?.

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by RailBus63 on Thu Apr 26 12:49:29 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 26 12:07:24 2012.

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WTF happen to Orion?.

1. They were too expensive to outbid Gillig for small TA orders

2. They had two big customers in MTA and TTC, but let too many of the other top 50 fleets get away

3. They never developed an articulated model




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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 26 12:51:29 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by RailBus63 on Thu Apr 26 12:49:29 2012.

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4. Quality is .... borderline.

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by RailBus63 on Thu Apr 26 12:52:29 2012, in response to North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 26 11:48:32 2012.

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Does New Flyer count actual buses or those '40-foot equivalencies' they always refer to in their reports (one 60-foot bus is considered the equivalent of two 40-foot or smaller buses)?

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 26 13:01:46 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by RailBus63 on Thu Apr 26 12:52:29 2012.

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I believe actual buses produced.

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Apr 26 13:35:16 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by RailBus63 on Thu Apr 26 12:49:29 2012.

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Precisely. In the latest CATA State College order for CNGs, Orion was higher than both Gillig and New Flyer...so guess who got the order...



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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by Lothian on Thu Apr 26 15:52:20 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 26 12:07:24 2012.

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Actually, the figures are:

Gillig: +3% (from 27% to 30%)
New Flyer +1% (from 34% to 35%)
Nova Bus: -1% (from 17% to 16%)
NABI: -1% (from 10% to 9%)
Orion: -3% (from 12% to 9%)
Other: +1% (from 0 to 1%)


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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Apr 26 15:55:37 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by Lothian on Thu Apr 26 15:52:20 2012.

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You right, I need glasses.

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by Scrabbleship on Fri Apr 27 19:40:04 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by Lothian on Thu Apr 26 15:52:20 2012.

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And Nova's decline only came because more agencies retired Classics and RTS's than bought LFS's.

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by bond007 on Sat Apr 28 00:16:11 2012, in response to North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 26 11:48:32 2012.

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So if we only count the US, would Gillig's market share at more parity with New Flyer? Thanks!

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Apr 28 00:56:25 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by bond007 on Sat Apr 28 00:16:11 2012.

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My question is ..is this the reason why the MTA had that Gillig Advantage BRT parked outside of 2 Broadway last month?

Are they thinking about using them since Orion took a powder? IT IS A COOL LOOKING BUS.

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Apr 28 01:09:24 2012, in response to North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 26 11:48:32 2012.

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Going forward, I see NABI as being in trouble more so than anyone else. ElDorado has a small bus market to keep it going, an Nova Bus now will have the Canadian market that New Flyer doesn't get. Nova Bus probably may well be the beneficiary of Orion's demise.

What will happen when the orders for LACMTA and NJT are complete for NABI?

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by RailBus63 on Sat Apr 28 14:30:20 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Apr 28 01:09:24 2012.

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How many units are left for NABI to build for LA and NJT?

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 28 20:12:18 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Apr 28 01:09:24 2012.

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What happened to Opus/Optima ? Swallowed up by NABI ?

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Apr 28 20:55:42 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 26 12:02:53 2012.

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Also, lately Broward County Transit (7 orders totaling ~180 buses since 2005). And Miami-Dade Transit has been a big NABI customer since 1998.

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Apr 28 21:03:36 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 28 20:12:18 2012.

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NABI swallowed up & kill it.

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by ctrabs74 on Sun Apr 29 00:30:17 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by RailBus63 on Sat Apr 28 14:30:20 2012.

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There's the Dallas order that's ongoing. I think it was about 500 buses, IINM.

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by CJ on Sun Apr 29 22:04:15 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by Edwards! on Sat Apr 28 00:56:25 2012.

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Well this is transit and the MTA going to Gillig for future bus orders is not out of the question either.

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Apr 29 22:46:27 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by CJ on Sun Apr 29 22:04:15 2012.

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Yeah..I can see that happening..

I can also see them using Nova bus more in the near future since they are now ONCE AGAIN located in NYS,hoping this will shorten delivery time between the manufacturer and the client..

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by RailBus63 on Sun Apr 29 23:29:16 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by CJ on Sun Apr 29 22:04:15 2012.

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Gillig has never shown any interest in the MTA, other than the one order of Phantoms for LI Bus all those years ago.

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Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 30 01:05:03 2012, in response to Re: North American Heavy Duty Transit Bus Market share data from 2010 to 2012, posted by RailBus63 on Sun Apr 29 23:29:16 2012.

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that may change,due to the demise of its "prime" contractor,Orion Bus..they may just stick with NOVA bus for the 40 footers due to the close proximity of it plants...particularly since its located within NYS.

They also might finally go with Gillig due to the Advantage BRT being parked in front of 2 BROADWAY LAST MONTH...guess it was there for them to take a look over...plus the market thinning out leaving only a few builders..

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