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MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Apr 24 14:23:25 2012

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Access-Ride MetroCards
The MTA plans to give all Access-a-Ride-eligible riders free monthly MetroCards, a cost-cutting initiative that the agency hopes will save it more than $90 million a year by 2015.

The free MetroCards are intended to encourage many of the ill and disabled people who use the paratransit service to take buses and subways whenever possible.

They now pay the equivalent of a MetroCard swipe for a paratransit ride that costs the MTA an average of $66.

Many Access-a-Ride users, who must have some type of mobility disability to be eligible for the service, already use subway and buses in some instances, said Tom Charles, the MTAís vice president of paratransit.

Officials believe giving those riders, many of whom are elderly and on a fixed income, the MetroCards will shift some 15 percent of paratransit trips to subway or bus rides.

Itís especially crucial to cut costs on the program since the number of paratransit-eligible riders is expected to skyrocket as the population ages.

--- http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/access_ride_metrocards_z7ShCuvlAlTehvPyNcxGKK#ixzz1sz2O1ivu

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by Mr RT on Tue Apr 24 14:39:39 2012, in response to MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Apr 24 14:23:25 2012.

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I'll bet these folks will sell those MCs & keep riding ParaTransit :-(

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by LRG5784 on Tue Apr 24 14:42:26 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by Mr RT on Tue Apr 24 14:39:39 2012.

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Don't give them any ideas!!!

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by grand concourse on Tue Apr 24 15:07:47 2012, in response to MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Apr 24 14:23:25 2012.

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Most w/c riders I see on the bus rarely pays, so what's the point of giving them a free pass on top of it?

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Apr 24 15:08:23 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by Mr RT on Tue Apr 24 14:39:39 2012.

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I'll bet these folks will sell those MCs & keep riding ParaTransit :-(

I assume it will be one of these:



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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by LRG5784 on Tue Apr 24 15:18:17 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Apr 24 15:08:23 2012.

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Yeah the cards will have photos on the back as an anti-fraud measure.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 24 16:23:40 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by LRG5784 on Tue Apr 24 15:18:17 2012.

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yup...

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by JAzumah on Tue Apr 24 16:33:29 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by Mr RT on Tue Apr 24 14:39:39 2012.

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I doubt that. What this sounds like is the paratransit fare is going to double come January 1, 2013 and I would be in favor of that. This will allow people to voluntarily wean themselves off paratransit if they can physically do so. When 80% of passengers do not use wheelchairs, it tells me that a substantial portion of that group can disappear. If the MTA is smart, it would say nothing

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by mci guy on Tue Apr 24 18:10:16 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by JAzumah on Tue Apr 24 16:33:29 2012.

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why how smart tom charles is. i could have told him from 2003-2008 how many were abusing the system. as a matter of fact i their driver was more disabled than some of them. many had cars they drove or returned in the pm on the transit buse. they liked the idea of a chauffeured ride to work, many of them being the only one on the van.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by mci guy on Tue Apr 24 18:11:13 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by grand concourse on Tue Apr 24 15:07:47 2012.

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they are supposed to mail fare to nyct.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Apr 24 19:51:28 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by grand concourse on Tue Apr 24 15:07:47 2012.

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Not all Access-A-Ride passengers are in a wheelchair. You do have some riders who are elderly and can only walk a block or two to the bus stop, but would prefer Access-A-Ride.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by Mr RT on Wed Apr 25 07:11:51 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by mci guy on Tue Apr 24 18:10:16 2012.

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"... many of them being the only one on the van ..." THAT is what the problem is ... too many trips for one or two riders.
They have a system to only provide rides to those who qualify, but then almost anyone can get a disabled parking hanger for their car :-(

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by Mr RT on Wed Apr 25 07:18:07 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Apr 24 15:08:23 2012.

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If they were smart they would do that.
But they will also have to provide a van to take take a photo & sign them up.
What is the alternative ... say "if you go get a disabled MC, we'll make it a monthly unlimited card" ?
How are they going to stop hords of disabled from signing up for the free MC when they have no intention of using ParaTransit ?

I hope someone involved with this has spent some time planning this.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by Mr RT on Wed Apr 25 07:19:52 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by grand concourse on Tue Apr 24 15:07:47 2012.

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If they come in the back door, the driver doesn't want to touch their MC, so they are suppose to mail the fare in.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 25 08:43:34 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by Mr RT on Wed Apr 25 07:18:07 2012.

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But they will also have to provide a van to take take a photo & sign them up.

It can be done by mail.

What is the alternative ... say "if you go get a disabled MC, we'll make it a monthly unlimited card" ?
How are they going to stop hords of disabled from signing up for the free MC when they have no intention of using ParaTransit ?


Don't know, but I'd guess that reducing the number of paratransit trips would still be a net savings.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Apr 25 09:53:49 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by Mr RT on Wed Apr 25 07:18:07 2012.

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How are they going to stop hords of disabled from signing up for the free MC when they have no intention of using ParaTransit ?

Iím not sure what youíre getting at. If there are disabled people who werenít attracted before by a door-to-door van trip, why will they suddenly care about a free ride on a subway train or city bus?



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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by B1bus on Wed Apr 25 16:27:03 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by Mr RT on Wed Apr 25 07:19:52 2012.

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The driver is supposed to give them a prepaid envelope addressed to the revenue department (if they have any in the first place.)

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Apr 25 23:30:43 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by RailBus63 on Wed Apr 25 09:53:49 2012.

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If they were using the bus and subway the whole time, and had no intention of using paratransit (they felt they weren't disabled enough or whatever), they'd get a free ride whereas before they were paying 1/2 fare.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by Mr RT on Thu Apr 26 10:25:28 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 25 08:43:34 2012.

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That is the goal.
If they can control a jump in abuse, then they win.
But have they thought this out ?

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 26 12:59:07 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by Mr RT on Thu Apr 26 10:25:28 2012.

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Probably not. Most likely they only did rough calculations that if 15% switch, they will be ahead and they figure that is low enough to gamble.

The truth is that using paratransit is such a hassle with the waiting and 24 hour notice that if the trip could be avoided, it is. They wouldn't consider the added delay to buses if it had 15% more wheelchairs. That would just be too much work if it could be done at all.

What they need to do is place some limits on the types of trips. People have used access a ride to go from Tottenville to Empire City Casino in Yonkers for $1.10. That is outrageous and just taking advantage of the system. Everyone thinks it s only used for doctors appointments.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 26 13:01:58 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by RailBus63 on Wed Apr 25 09:53:49 2012.

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My friend uses access a ride occasionally because he has a problem with stairs and rarely can use the subway. He has no problem using the bus. He woud make out if this were to happen. I think it is a dumb idea because people don't use access a ride because they have a choice.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 26 13:04:14 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by Mr RT on Wed Apr 25 07:11:51 2012.

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The entire reason why they switched from cars to vans was to serve multiple passengers with a single van, so why are there so many individual trips?

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Apr 26 15:35:27 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 26 13:04:14 2012.

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That's what I wonder...and I'm sure MTA is not the only transit system that's doing this on a regular basis...which is very concerning to me!

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 27 00:01:15 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 26 12:59:07 2012.

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AAR trips are never a dollar ten..its always the base fare.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 27 00:02:14 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 26 12:59:07 2012.

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AAR trips are never a dollar ten..its always the base fare. reduced fare MC are 1.10 or less.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by mci guy on Fri Apr 27 07:34:28 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Apr 26 15:35:27 2012.

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well here in staten island there are many that go to community resouces on victory. while one van cant handle all several come with one or two passengers. this includes cars,vans and maybe even the new mp1.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Apr 27 10:25:03 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 27 00:01:15 2012.

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I know that now.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 27 12:23:16 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 26 12:59:07 2012.

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What they need to do is place some limits on the types of trips. People have used access a ride to go from Tottenville to Empire City Casino in Yonkers for $1.10. That is outrageous and just taking advantage of the system. Everyone thinks it s only used for doctors appointments.

You obviously do not know what you are talking about.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 28 10:57:22 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 27 12:23:16 2012.

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That has happened. You can research it on the net if you want to. Don't ask me to find the source for you.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by Mr RT on Mon Apr 30 08:06:10 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 26 13:04:14 2012.

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I'll bet they saw, from previous trip data, that multiple folks came from same area & went to same destination.
Getting them to make those trips at the same time may be the problem.

Gee ... don't buses run on a schedule ?

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 18:12:05 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 28 10:57:22 2012.

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That has happened.

I never said otherwise. I just said you don't know what you are talking about.

You can research it on the net if you want to.

Don't need to since I'm not disputing it.

Don't ask me to find the source for you.

Why would I ask you to find the source for something that I'm not questioning?

ANYHOW, what you don't know what you're talking about is this: "What they need to do is place some limits on the types of trips. People have used access a ride to go from Tottenville to Empire City Casino in Yonkers for $1.10. That is outrageous and just taking advantage of the system. Everyone thinks it s only used for doctors appointments."

You obviously have no idea what paratransit service is, you have no idea why it is required, you have no idea what limits can be placed on it, and you have no idea where it operates. You also have no idea what everyone else thinks about it. And you know what? Surprise, surprise, all of the answers are on the MTA's website. And that's how we know you're wrong about the last point. "Everyone" can't think one thing when the website clearly states something different.

You're just wrong wrong wrong and you don't care. You feel entitled to be spreading your lies, half-truths, and ignorance all over.

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 2 19:18:02 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 18:12:05 2012.

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Bump

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Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 2 19:36:02 2012, in response to Re: MTA plans on giving out free MetroCards to paratransit riders, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 2 18:12:05 2012.

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You've said absolutely nothing as usual and did not respond to any of the abuses the Post reported on according to the link I provided.

You are talking in circles. You say you are not questioning that riders have used Accss-a-ride from Tottenville to Empire City Casino and at the same time say that I don't know what I'm talking about when I state someone did that. When I said "everyone" I obviously did not mean "everyone". What I meant is that most non-users of the system believe the system is primariiy used for medical and shopping trips, not that some use it for pleasure trips at taxpayer expense. Why sholud he MTA have to pay $50 or $100 so that someone can take a pleasure trip?. I'm not saying we should deny those trips, just let them pay a fair share for what amounts to a taxi service.

You are so delightful to talk to when I feel like relaxing and wasting some time.

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