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Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Gold_12TH on Tue Apr 10 13:42:08 2012

Governor Andrew Cuomo announced Tuesday the state will invest nearly a half-billion dollars to repair the Kosciuszko Bridge and 84 miles of roads in the city.

The Kosciuszko Bridge connects Queens and Brooklyn on the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway.

It was called the worst in the city by the General Contractors Association a few years ago.

The new bridge will have nine lanes of traffic, three more than it has now.

Construction was slated to begin in 2014 and be completed by 2020, but now construction will be able to begin this fiscal year.

All traffic will be shifted off the exiting viaduct onto the new bridge before 2017.

This accelerated project is part of the governor's "New York Works" program, which aims to create jobs while fixing the state's infrastructure.
---http://brooklyn.ny1.com/content/top_stories/158771/state-money-moves-up-repairs-on-kosciuszko-bridge

The aging Kosciuszko Bridge which connects Brooklyn to Queens via the BQE will be replaced to the tune of $460 million, the state announced this week.

The upgrade is part of a $1.2 billion program of accelerated road and bridge repair and is the single biggest project to come from the New York Works infrastructure program signed into law by Governor Andrew Cuomo last week.

Construction on the project is scheduled to begin by next April 1, and the new structure is expected to be ready by 2017. It is one of hundreds of structurally deficient bridges around the state.

New York Works is a so-called infrastructure bank that draws from pooled government and private funding designed to speed up spending on big infrastructure projects.

The program will also coordinate big capital construction projects of 45 agencies and authorities, including the MTA, Port Authority and dozens of others.

It will operate under a 15-member governing board, with 9 members appointed by the governor and six by State Legislature. The initial funding decisions were made before the board has been named.
---http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/wnyc-news-blog/2012/apr/04/kosciusko-bridge-be-replaced/

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by JAzumah on Tue Apr 10 13:52:07 2012, in response to Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Gold_12TH on Tue Apr 10 13:42:08 2012.

It is about time for that bridge.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Apr 10 15:10:53 2012, in response to Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Gold_12TH on Tue Apr 10 13:42:08 2012.

Looks like the B24 is going to rerouted. The route may be split into two as the design is already pointless. Who uses the Williamburg portion anyway?

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by andy on Tue Apr 10 16:18:22 2012, in response to Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Gold_12TH on Tue Apr 10 13:42:08 2012.

Good news. This bridge opened in 1939 before the BQE was even built, and was melded into the BQE in the 1940s. So it's now 73 years old and shows its age. Steep approaches, poor sight lines, and of course very heavy traffic 24/7 all make it notorious. Hopefully the new one will be a big improvement - for the B24 and private cars/trucks.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 10 19:08:22 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Apr 10 15:10:53 2012.

is that a serious question?

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Apr 10 20:58:42 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Apr 10 15:10:53 2012.

The new bridge will have no affect on traffic or bus service, unless MTA changes the route.. Lots of land has been acquired. The new briodge and approach will be built aside the old one, then the existing BQE will be joined to the new construction when built. There will be 5 EB lanes and 4 WB lanes, the new bridge will not be as high as the previous one.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Train2104 on Tue Apr 10 21:50:17 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Apr 10 20:58:42 2012.

Is the entire viaduct being replaced or just the bridge itself?

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Apr 10 21:59:09 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Train2104 on Tue Apr 10 21:50:17 2012.

The bridge and viaduct. That bridge is more than paid for, however; it is 80 years old.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Apr 10 22:11:11 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Apr 10 20:58:42 2012.

Aww, its lower? The high view was the best thing about it. I guess it makes sense since it would be cheaper to make being lower from the ground. I thought it was going to be like the Willy B. that closed lanes.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Apr 10 23:00:11 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 10 19:08:22 2012.

Seriously. A lot of people use the Williamsburg portion. I have used it numerous times. It serves well as a link between the 7 and the L, J, M, and Z trains.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Apr 10 23:33:38 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 10 19:08:22 2012.

Um didn't MTA cut B24 service back in June 2010's cuts? If it actually had worthy usage, then it would've been left alone like the B60, B44, B47, etc.

It should be extended pass Queens Blvd and combined with another route. The B24 design is awful.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 10 23:44:20 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Apr 10 23:33:38 2012.

sure..they did..but unlike the the 37 the didnt eliminate it completely.
It has its value,and as far as we can see,the MTA knows this is a neighborhood feeder route.

Also,the cuts didnt really have much to do with the routes..if that was the case,other boro's would have been hit just as hard as Brooklyn was..which wasnt the case.
The MTA was looking out for its bottom line,plain and simple..not the riders.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by B49 Limited on Tue Apr 10 23:58:19 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by JAzumah on Tue Apr 10 13:52:07 2012.

Agree .... at least another portion of the BQE is more modern, slowly but surely.. I- 278 will be no longer the worst interstate in America.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by B49 Limited on Tue Apr 10 23:59:41 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Apr 10 23:00:11 2012.

The B 24 Greenpoint and Williamsburg do get ridership, the headways are questionable at times, but I think the route needs to split, LGA - Brooklyn route anyone?

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 01:02:23 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by B49 Limited on Tue Apr 10 23:58:19 2012.

Its beyond worst.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Apr 11 04:36:26 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Tue Apr 10 22:11:11 2012.

The height of the old bridge was a detriment to traffic: trucks having trouble getting up the hill. Plus, we're crossing Newtown Creek here, nothing that needs that kind of clearance is every found on that waterway.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Apr 11 04:39:52 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by B49 Limited on Tue Apr 10 23:58:19 2012.

But the part by Brooklyn Heights: wasn't there plans to rebuild that but it was recently scrapped.

The part n'b between the trench on the Brooklyn Bridge is seldom freely flowing.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by TERRapin station on Wed Apr 11 06:47:40 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 01:02:23 2012.

So you have a lot of experience driving on interstates all over the country?

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 11:59:15 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by TERRapin station on Wed Apr 11 06:47:40 2012.

Yes and stopping by Johnson Ave, Apt 10G.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 12:07:05 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Apr 11 04:39:52 2012.

Who needs a rebuild? Just patch it up....


11-30-2011 story : http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/34/48/all_bqerepairsnub_2011_12_02_bk.html


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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Apr 11 12:41:11 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 11:59:15 2012.

No, it's pretty obvious that you don't. You can stop lying now.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Apr 11 12:43:02 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 12:07:05 2012.



Who needs a rebuild? Just patch it up....

Sometimes a patch isn't good enough. Obviously. SMH....

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 12:49:56 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Apr 11 12:43:02 2012.

I think he was being sarcastic..

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 12:51:27 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Apr 11 04:39:52 2012.

I think that issue will be corrected once they follow Sam Schwartz's plan to toll the east river bridges and open the Belt Parkway to trucks.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 13:05:11 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 12:49:56 2012.

+1

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 13:06:26 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 12:51:27 2012.

clearance issues with the overhead bridges on Belt Parkway.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Apr 11 13:07:04 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 12:49:56 2012.

Maybe, but it's better to be safe than sorry, especially with Gold_12TH. He's wrong so often that people must be prevented from believing him. The fact that he pastes so many news stories here might lead people to erroneously believe that he knows what he's talking about, when he actually doesn't. A good example is how today, when I asked him about how he knows that the BQE is beyond the worst Interstate Highway in America, he simply responded with an unwarranted personal attack. He has absolutely no factual or logical basis for much of what he posts here (besides his posts that only contain mindlessly copy and pasted news articles or agency documents).

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 13:13:23 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Apr 11 13:07:04 2012.

I want to hug you.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 13:14:24 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 13:06:26 2012.

IIRC there are no clearance issues between the Verrazano Bridge and the Nassau Expressway exit.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 13:20:22 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 13:14:24 2012.

*except for the pedestrian bridge between exits 4 and 5

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Apr 11 13:34:02 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 13:14:24 2012.

I see a few clearance issues listed along that stretch, incl. the one you mentioned.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Apr 11 13:47:01 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 13:14:24 2012.

IIRC there are no clearance issues between the Verrazano Bridge and the Nassau Expressway exit.


There are about five posted clearance signs.


1. Pedestrian Bridge you mentioned between 14th Ave and Bay Parkway.

2. Under the F train.

3. Coney Island Ave (12' 4")

4. B/Q train and pedestrian bridge (11' 4")

5. Flatbush Ave (12' 6")




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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 13:50:44 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Apr 11 13:47:01 2012.

(F) is 12' 4"
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/revengingangel/3206066743/in/photostream/

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 14:23:59 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 13:50:44 2012.

Isn't 12 feet generally "OK" for truck clearances? Even the BQE and Cross-Bronx has clearance signs.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 16:16:26 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Apr 11 13:47:01 2012.


link: http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/lowbridges_citywide_map.pdf

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 16:17:32 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 14:23:59 2012.

12 feet under is ok.

14 feet is the minimum for Interstate standards

BQE & Cross Bronx have waivers

low clearance map link: http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/lowbridges_citywide_map.pdf

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 21:21:14 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Apr 11 16:16:26 2012.

Nice find

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Apr 12 08:33:30 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by B49 Limited on Tue Apr 10 23:59:41 2012.

I will admit to fantasizing about splitting the route, converting the Williamsburg portion to a Lower East Side - Williamsburg - Sunnyside - LGA route.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Apr 12 08:50:39 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Apr 11 13:47:01 2012.

I think there's also a weight limit somewhere between Knapp Street and Pennsylvania Avenue.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 12 09:35:38 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 21:21:14 2012.

Huh? That's what I used to make this post:

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Apr 12 13:58:16 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Apr 12 08:50:39 2012.

Correct - - 8,000 lbs. maximum.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Apr 12 14:44:02 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Apr 12 08:50:39 2012.


--- http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/bridgereport10.pdf



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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Apr 12 17:34:57 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Apr 12 14:44:02 2012.

Nice. I think Sam's plans for allowing trucks on the Belt Parkway includes either reconstruction, or flanking 2 truck only lanes on both sides

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Apr 12 17:35:39 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 12 09:35:38 2012.

That's nice, but you didn't post it.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Apr 12 18:07:53 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Apr 12 17:35:39 2012.

Didn't need to in order to answer the question I was answering.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Apr 12 18:15:18 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by TERRapin station on Thu Apr 12 18:07:53 2012.

So, no acknowledgement is needed.

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Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced

Posted by LRG5784 on Sat Apr 14 12:48:24 2012, in response to Re: Aging Kosciuszko Bridge to Be Replaced, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Apr 12 14:44:02 2012.

Very informative list.

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