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Valley Metro Fares and Update |
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Posted by phoenixtransitbus on Wed Feb 22 01:03:33 2012 Valley Metro is planning to raise their fares due to the bad economy.Also, they are planning to eliminate Express Route 581- North Mountain Express due to low ridership. Now Route 72- Scottsdale/Rural is running New Flyer D60LFR all the times on weekdays. It used to run NABI 35-LFW buses on this route. |
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Posted by Bx36Ltd on Wed Feb 22 07:00:59 2012, in response to Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by phoenixtransitbus on Wed Feb 22 01:03:33 2012. Raising fares for crapping ass service pretty sad. These people need to fight back |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Feb 22 10:41:32 2012, in response to Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by phoenixtransitbus on Wed Feb 22 01:03:33 2012. Now Route 72- Scottsdale/Rural is running New Flyer D60LFR all the times on weekdays.It used to run NABI 35-LFW buses on this route. Wow, was there a severe increase in ridership? I remember the buses were somewhat uncomfortably full, but not to the point of needing artics. Of course, this was 2 years ago during the summer anyway...   I found this article from ABC15 about the fare increase. This was posted back in November, though. Has anything changed since then? MESA, AZ - Valley Metro is proposing a transit fare increase by July 2012 in response to the growing cost of operating its bus and light rail services. The East Valley Tribune reports the agency is looking to boost the $1.75 one-ride fare to $2 and increase all-day passes from $3.50 to $4. The cost of a 31-day pass would go from $55 to $64, with express 31-day passes changing from $85 to $96. Valley Metro wants to collect at least 25 percent of its operational costs through fares, but that share has fallen to 23 percent. The American Public Transit Association says the fare hike is similar to what many other transit agencies have done. Valley Metro's board of directors will make a decision on fares in the spring. |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Wed Feb 22 11:25:22 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Feb 22 10:41:32 2012. Geez, the last time I rode the 72 Scottsdale/Rural, they were using C40LFRs and occasionally NABI 40-LFW CNGs... |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Feb 22 12:24:20 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by Dr. Casca on Wed Feb 22 11:25:22 2012. Oh wait, I misread the original post as the 77! lolWhen I was there in 2009, I basically saw the C40LFRs and NABI 40LFW LNGs as well.   If I remember correctly, putting artics on the line was on the agenda for quite some time. I never rode the 72 though. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Feb 22 12:27:52 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Feb 22 12:24:20 2012. One more picture because I just think it's awesome!
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Posted by phoenixtransitbus on Wed Feb 22 17:34:04 2012, in response to Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by phoenixtransitbus on Wed Feb 22 01:03:33 2012. Near my college they are running 2007 New Flyer D60LF on Route 59- 59th Avenu if the D40LF or NABI 40-LFW broke down.In 2003 it used to run 35xx series TMC RTS buses if the 40xx series New Flyer broke down. |
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Posted by phoenixtransitbus on Wed Feb 22 17:34:20 2012, in response to Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by phoenixtransitbus on Wed Feb 22 01:03:33 2012. Near my college they are running 2007 New Flyer D60LF on Route 59- 59th Avenue if the D40LF or NABI 40-LFW broke down.In 2003 it used to run 35xx series TMC RTS buses if the 40xx series New Flyer broke down. |
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Posted by Sid from NJ on Wed Feb 22 22:32:13 2012, in response to Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by phoenixtransitbus on Wed Feb 22 01:03:33 2012. [It used to run NABI 35-LFW buses on this route.]My recollection was that when the bus assignments changed a few years back on the 72, there were some occasional 35-footers mixed in with a mostly 40-foot fleet. Also, keep in mind that daytime headways were cut from every 15 minutes to every 20 minutes a few years back, and that may be why artics are now used on this route. |
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Posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Fri Feb 24 03:14:11 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by phoenixtransitbus on Wed Feb 22 17:34:04 2012. I ride 59 3-4 times a week, Worst Transit does not know how to use the artics they have. they have been known to use the D60LF as a replacement bus for breakdowns for short distances on 43, 59 & 67. (for example 2 weeks ago on 67 a D40lf broke down on NB 67 At Glendale and replaced by a D60LF for the remainder of the trip with either a D40LF or a NABI waiting at Arrowhead. they should keep the D60LF for the remainder of the run or day. |
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Posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Fri Feb 24 03:16:34 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by Sid from NJ on Wed Feb 22 22:32:13 2012. There are plans for further reduction of service on 72 from 15/20/30 to 30 Day/60 Night. |
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Posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Fri Feb 24 03:18:57 2012, in response to Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by phoenixtransitbus on Wed Feb 22 01:03:33 2012. The 581 Should have been eliminated 2 Transit Books Ago instead of becoming a 138/122 Limited. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Feb 24 09:22:31 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Fri Feb 24 03:16:34 2012. Wow that's terrible! I guess this is directly related to the loss of state funding (I think that went through), right? |
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Posted by T8H5307N on Fri Feb 24 13:55:30 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by Dr. Casca on Wed Feb 22 11:25:22 2012. Well, I remember when it was 1994 D40LF. Then MV took over the contract and the Phoenix operation moved to Mesa, and some of the CNG-powered NABIs moved in. Then RPTA acquired the first 52 C40LFRs which pretty much replaced the older D40LF. Then the Tempe garage took over the route, which meant putting LNG NABIs on (along with a few RPTA C40LFRs). Yes, one would infrequently see a 35-LFW, but it was mostly ex-FLASH (40-LFW) buses. Now, Tempe has L40LFR, C40LFR, and DE60LFR, which pretty much has banished the NABIs to the local routes. |
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Posted by T8H5307N on Fri Feb 24 13:58:50 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by Bx36Ltd on Wed Feb 22 07:00:59 2012. The fares are going up because the farebox recovery has slipped below 25%. There are many who believe that public transit should should be 100% farebox (remember those days?). Imagine what the fare would be if we knocked that penny off the sales tax. |
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Posted by Bx36Ltd on Fri Feb 24 22:20:57 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by T8H5307N on Fri Feb 24 13:55:30 2012. MV took a few routes they didn't take over all of it they took routes 61 45 540 541 531 532 533 , and they split the red line during the week and ran it on the weekends and the east valley routes then they lost there contract due to not keeping the buses up poor ac lots of break downs.I knw this cuz some of my freinds wrked for phx had to go and fill in for them due to call in's etc. |
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Posted by T8H5307N on Sat Feb 25 10:30:46 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by Bx36Ltd on Fri Feb 24 22:20:57 2012. I recall that 45 and 61 was still Tempe at the time MV picked up the RPTA contract. The Valley Coach (Veolia) buses were staged out of a lot on S 44th St - MV took over the contract in two stages. At the end, the 44th St operation was closed. Pretty much everything east of 48th St. was RPTA (MV). MV had to bring in some Foothill Transit Phantoms as spares. It was after the contract was turned back over to Veolia that 72 & 81 were traded for 45 & 61.I can't remember exactly the deal with the Express runs...RPTA used to contract with Phoenix Transit, and they were using MAN articulateds. When the NABI compos arrived, they could not be used on non-Phoenix routes, so the RPTA express routes had to use its own equipment. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Feb 25 16:35:51 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by Dr. Casca on Wed Feb 22 11:25:22 2012. I haven't seen many of the NABI 40-LFW CNGs recently (on the RPTA routes). Between the service cuts and all of the new C40LFRs, I believe most of these buses are in their final days. The RPTA may be on it's way to being almost 100% New Flyer (Save the 2006 NABI 60BRTs). |
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Posted by T8H5307N on Sat Feb 25 19:16:01 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by TonyG on Sat Feb 25 16:35:51 2012. RPTA only had a handful (and 6157-6163 have looked pretty sorry for some time), and all had moved over to the Tempe garage when it took over 72/81. And you're right, even in Tempe the only NABIs I see are the Tempe-owned units which were rehabbed. |
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Posted by Bx36Ltd on Sat Feb 25 22:55:45 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by T8H5307N on Sat Feb 25 10:30:46 2012. Yup I remember tempe even had a hand full of the grummans for a while but mv suck big time |
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Posted by Bx36Ltd on Sat Feb 25 23:11:00 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by T8H5307N on Sat Feb 25 19:16:01 2012. And most are retired weres PTS still has there and has been replacing the headsighs im guessing there gona keep them a bit.. I also knw there changed out the tranny of 7156 and 6377 to a Allison B-500R WTEC From a Allison B-400R.and the rehab they did wasn't a full one. Usually a Rehab is done with new motor or rebuilt motor seats windows everything like the Mta did with 8000-8566 with 8154 as the exception. I knw 6315 received a new motor a year ago. |
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Posted by phoenixtransitbus on Mon Feb 27 04:03:43 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Fri Feb 24 03:14:11 2012. I hope they can reach a agreement between ATU Local 1433 and Veolia-Phoenix for a new contact. |
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Posted by phoenixtransitbus on Fri Mar 9 14:50:38 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Fri Feb 24 03:14:11 2012. Two nights ago, I rode 2007 New Flyer D60LF on Route 59- 59th Avenue from Glendale Community to Cactus Rd. |
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Valley Metro Bus Strike in Phoenix and Tempe |
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Posted by phoenixtransitbus on Fri Mar 9 14:57:50 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by phoenixtransitbus on Fri Mar 9 14:50:38 2012. I heard from Phoenix bus driver that they want Veolia Transportation out of town. The reason is unfair labor practices.The negotiations with Veolia is not going well. I hope ATU Local 1433 and Veolia will reach a agreement to avoid a bus strike. Take a look: http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2012/03/09/20120309phoenix-bus-drivers-company-meet-again-avoid-strike.html |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Mar 9 15:16:58 2012, in response to Valley Metro Bus Strike in Phoenix and Tempe, posted by phoenixtransitbus on Fri Mar 9 14:57:50 2012. Wow, a two year labor dispute?! |
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Posted by Shorty on Fri Mar 9 19:31:01 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Bus Strike in Phoenix and Tempe, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Mar 9 15:16:58 2012. Yep two years and the union is going on strike at midnight tonight. As a rider, I'm not happy of course, who would be.. but I support the drivers. This company is like a skunk.. both stink! |
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Posted by Bx36Ltd on Sat Mar 10 01:56:06 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by phoenixtransitbus on Fri Mar 9 14:50:38 2012. That was a waste of time even for them to run that 60 footer on there they barely can fill up 40 footer on there |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Mar 10 14:07:31 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by Bx36Ltd on Sat Mar 10 01:56:06 2012. They never seem to run the artics on the routes that they should. IMHO, the Phoenix artics should be dedicated to the: 3, 17, 29, 41, and 70 for E/W routes and the 16, 7, 0, 8, and 19 for N/S routes. The other routes can use 40 footers.As far as Tempe/RPTA the 45, 61, and 72 should be dedicated artic routes. |
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Posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Sat Mar 10 23:33:46 2012, in response to Re: Valley Metro Fares and Update, posted by TonyG on Sat Mar 10 14:07:31 2012. 59 should have a minimum of 2 artic trips m-s |
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