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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 24 18:45:14 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by B49 Limited on Thu Nov 24 16:21:12 2011. The thing is the MTA is not trying to make better routes. They ate only interested in what they can cut. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 24 18:52:56 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by B49 Limited on Thu Nov 24 16:30:26 2011. Doesn't mean they will. They use their service guidelines the way they want to.I went to a seminar last week called Transportation 2030, and woman on the panel from Rochdale Village claimed that when MTA Bus cut their express service to every 30 minutes last year, the buses are so crowded that the passengers can't even fit on the bus and have to wait another 30 minutes for the next bus. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 24 18:58:42 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by B49 Limited on Thu Nov 24 17:20:00 2011. Exactly the reasons why I am opposed to the way they are implementing it . Few people understand the system well enough to understand what will happen.Just like no one except me and a few others knew how devastating the service cuts would be before they were implemented. Everyone was only concerned about the elimination of transit passes. The media gave virtually no attention to the service cuts until people started screaming afterward. The same screaming will occur after the B44SBS takes effect, not now. When people realize they can only board the local at Avenue R where the limited currently stops, then they will ask for an additional stop. Then the MTA will say it is too late. The time to request it is now. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Nov 24 19:59:39 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Nov 24 14:09:54 2011. Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Unless you're taking a route that is so similar to the first (as the M101 to the M102 or M103 for a return trip), your transfer is good pretty much anywhere. Like you can get on a bus in Staten Island, and use the transfer in the Bronx, as long as it is within the time limit. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 24 20:21:37 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Nov 24 19:59:39 2011. Don't the routes have to intersect? |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Nov 24 20:37:23 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 24 14:45:11 2011. The problem that everybody mentioned was that it would become unreliable, as it would have to deal with the narrow streets in Borough Park, and having it run down Avenue J would cause it to be delayed even more. With this route, riders aren't entirely dependant on it because they have the B43 as well (the only ones who would get screwed during a delay would be Avenue J riders, but that would happen no matter which route served them) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 24 20:48:24 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Nov 24 20:37:23 2011. I'm not sure what you are saying. The B 11 already goes down the narrow streets in Borough Park and the portion of Avenue J with traffic is between E16th and Coney Island Avenue which the B11 already travels down. The portion east of Flatbush Avenue that I recommended using Avenue J eastbound and Avenue K westbound has very little traffic.The reason it didn't work in 1978 was that buses got bogged down in Canarsie using the narrow streets near Canarsie Terminal. |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Fri Nov 25 01:42:43 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 24 18:58:42 2011. Overall does the B 44 need an upgrade service? I would prefer to see the B 46, a brooklyn crosstown (east/west) route (which needs subway - like service), or worse case scenerio the B 41. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Nov 25 09:50:23 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 24 20:21:37 2011. Nope. Not now with MetroCard. If you get on any bus, your transfer is good at any subway station, or any other bus in the system at any location (with the few exceptions on some Manhattan and Bronx corridors to prevent round trips). |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 25 09:54:29 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by B49 Limited on Fri Nov 25 01:42:43 2011. The B44 is one of the slowest routes in the borough. It does not need twice as much service south of Avenue U.I can see SBS on the B46 but only south of Eastern Parkway. They should just keep the limited for the entire route. A crosstown route like a modified B82 where there is no competition from the subway was my first choice which I recommended back in late 2003 along with 3 door artics. They wouldn't listen to me of course because they are the planners and ave all the answers. They stated that 3 door artics were not suited structurally for NYC streets. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 25 10:41:54 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Nov 25 09:50:23 2011. So I could get on at Church Avenue and Rogers, take the B49 to Eastern Parkway, and then take the B44 back along Nostrand for one fare? |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 25 11:05:58 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 25 10:41:54 2011. Yes you can.there is restrictions on certain transfers in Manhattan and the Bronx: --- No transfers from subway to subway or to the bus route on which you started. --- No transfers between these bus routes: - downtown Fifth Av and uptown Madison Av buses (M1, M2, M3, M4) - downtown Lexington Av and uptown Third Av buses (M101, M102, M103) - southbound and northbound Grand Concourse buses (Bx1 and Bx2) - M31 and M57 (transfers are permitted from westbound M31 to westbound M57, and from eastbound M57 to eastbound M31) - M96 and M106 - Bx40 and Bx42 http://mta.info/metrocard/termsreg.htm |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Fri Nov 25 12:25:44 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 25 11:05:58 2011. This one is not in any official documentations, but there are also no "round trip" transfers between the SBS lines and its local variants. Can't go from an eastbound Bx12 to a westbound SBS12, or from a northbound M15 to a southbound SBS15 for example.I wonder what happens if someone wants to go from 23rd/1st (M34A only) to the Javits Center (M34 only)? |
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Posted by Train2104 on Fri Nov 25 13:49:57 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Fri Nov 25 12:25:44 2011. Use the same slip. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Nov 25 15:23:47 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Fri Nov 25 12:25:44 2011. As Train2104 said you can just hold onto your slip.I'm assuming the policy is also the same with limiteds. Can't go from B6 Local one way to B6 Limited the other way although you can use a transfer between local and limited same direction I think. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 25 16:17:09 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 25 09:54:29 2011. HAH..and look how THAT turned out..three door articulated buses in Manhattan and the Bronx. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 25 16:27:10 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 25 16:17:09 2011. Explain. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 25 17:11:25 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 25 16:27:10 2011. Taking an exert from your post..in which you stated the MTA's response to "three door artics"...They didnt want to "operate them on NYC streets"..but NOW you see NOVA BUS LFS/LFSA PRODUCTS in operation here in NYC...which puts the lie to their statement.. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 25 18:10:17 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 25 17:11:25 2011. This isn't the first time. In the 1960s, they refused to operate any artics saying they weren't suitable for NY. In the 1950s they insisted that the subways could never be air conditioned because the stops were too close and the cars would not be able to maintain a cool temperature. Even after the BMT/IND was successfully air conditioned, they maintained that IRT cars were too small to hold A/C units and those cars could not be air conditioned.Any wonder why they have zero credibility? They have been wrong or have lied so many times. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 25 18:20:15 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 25 18:10:17 2011. oh yeah..they are known liars.. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Nov 26 13:15:51 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 24 20:48:24 2011. Passengers along Avenue J wouldn't have to deal with the B11 getting stuck in traffic in Borough Park/Midwood because the route would go down NY/Brooklyn Avenue, which should be more reliable.Though I guess the advantage of having the B11 take Avenue J/K would be that it would have a chance to make up some of the time it lost earlier in the route. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Nov 26 13:26:29 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Nov 25 15:23:47 2011. If you think about it, there are some cases where it would help somebody make a trip if they could transfer between the local and limited in opposite directions. They would be able to take the limited past their stop and then backtrack 1 or 2 stops on the local. It might be faster than making the transfer in the same direction.The same for the 5th/Madison Avenue routes. Technically, somebody might live along 5th/Madison Avenue and want to go along 110th Street, so they could take the M1 and then take the M2/3/4 across 110th Street. Of course, the majority of the riders would just use it to make two trips on one fare. With the way NYC's transit system is set up, there are plenty of ways to make a round-trip on one fare if you're willing to do some walking. I've taken the S46 home from school, got off along South Avenue, got something to eat and then walked over to the S44 (on Richmond Avenue) to go to the YMCA. In the case of the B6 riders, they could walk over to the B8 to get a round-trip, or the B82 in certain areas. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Nov 26 15:03:37 2011, in response to Re: ''New'' Brooklyn Bus Map . . ., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Nov 26 13:26:29 2011. Even more obviously, the Lexington Ave subway to the Lexington Ave bus opposite direction! |
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