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Bus Map History #3: "QUEENS Bus Guide" map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon May 30 19:24:11 2011  Front map only: click the image and download right away (31.5 MB):  No Queens Bus Guide map notes, because I dont have the Queens Bus Guide map . . . got it from some other bus forum that was scanned different pieces ages ago . . . Archive: - Bus Map History #2: "Bronx Bus Guide" map - 1974 (PDF files) - Bus Map History: 1969 Manhattan Bus Map - (Full scanned & PDF) - MTA's Neighborhood map |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 30 21:03:22 2011, in response to Bus Map History #3: "QUEENS Bus Guide" map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by Gold_12th on Mon May 30 19:24:11 2011. No guide - no problem! The map is really what I am interested in. Thanks. |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon May 30 21:42:26 2011, in response to Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 30 21:03:22 2011. It would be interesting for comparative purposes on a few routes then and now, especially the Q3/5A (now 85) and 75/76/77. Still, I have to agree the front of the map is always the best. |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by B53RICH on Mon May 30 22:00:58 2011, in response to Bus Map History #3: "QUEENS Bus Guide" map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by Gold_12th on Mon May 30 19:24:11 2011. Notice the diversity of bus companies depicted by the colors of the routes which match that of the corresponding bus company colors. Was easy to tell whether the route was TA, MSBA or private. |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by D to E to Jamaica on Mon May 30 23:14:56 2011, in response to Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by B53RICH on Mon May 30 22:00:58 2011. Alot of interesting things here:I didnt realize the express routes exsisted then (except the x51) There were 5 Q5 routes: The rosedale route, Q5a (today's Q85)which they had run down Farmer's Blvd instead of Baisly Blvd, Thus the need fore... the Q5AB (today's Q85 rush hour Rochdale Village short turn)I wonder if this ran all day, Q5ALS(i'm assuming that LS stands for Laurelton Shuttle via 225 st) Probable was an rush hour only route, and Q5S which was probably a Rosedale rush hour only shuttle. Of course today's western terminal is at Parsons-Archer In addition tothe N4, the N5 also ran down Merrick Blvd. I wonder was that full time or rush hour service The Q10 was the only route that went into JFK airport, but just barely. Why is that? They couldn't have separated the 25/34 sooner? They could have made one of the a Limited between Jam and Flushing and local north of Flushing and the other one runn local all the way If I see one more version of the 44 my head is going to explode And the N20 didn't even exist. No flushing-hicksville service |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 31 01:12:11 2011, in response to Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by D to E to Jamaica on Mon May 30 23:14:56 2011. The N20 did not exist until the expansion of service in 1982. Until then, the short-turns ended at the Roslyn RR. There probably was little demand for transit to the colleges between Roslyn and Hicksville.As for the head exploding---there was a Q44MB at one time (probably a rush-hour only route). I wonder if there was interlining between the Q44A and Q44VP. As for the N5, it probably followed the N1 east of Central Avenue into Green Acres Mall, and then down to Grant Park in Hewlett. Until the Q5 and Q85 were extended to run to Green Acres, the N5 was very relevant. I have to wonder if the extensions on the Q5 and Q85 and the discontinuance of the N5 were done at the same time. This may have been the last map before the 168 Street station (J) closed, reducing the importance of the 165 Street terminal. The Q5S eventually became the Q86 before being discontinued. I wonder if the Q5S and Q5ALS were rush-hour services only. Can't explain the Q10 situation, but you should also look at the Q111/113---especially with respect to a Q113 routing that is going to be semi-restored come summer, because Brookville Boulevard did not extend through swampy areas yet. Springfield Boulevard itself had been closed through that area because of frequent flooding; its southern end was where a distribution center is today. |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 31 01:17:08 2011, in response to Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 31 01:12:11 2011. Also, note that only the N32 existed from Far Rockaway---ending in Lynbrook, which could explain an N36 on a prior shown map.BTW, was the Q21A a significantly relevant map, or was it a "franchise-holder"? |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 31 01:19:30 2011, in response to Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 31 01:17:08 2011. Also, curiously, the then-brand new Q88 only went to the Grand Central Parkway, and I believe it was assigned to the Queens Village Depot. Why was this, when there was an unnecessary deadhead resulting? |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by WayneJay on Tue May 31 13:38:16 2011, in response to Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 31 01:12:11 2011. As for the head exploding---there was a Q44MB at one time (probably a rush-hour only route).I wonder if there was interlining between the Q44A and Q44VP. The various Q44s were: Q44, Q44A (today's Q46), Q44B (Malba Shuttle), Q44FS and Q44VP. Don't know if there was interlining with the Q44VP and Q44A, but I do recall that the Q44A was a QV route (as the Q46 continues to be) and the others were FLU routes. Of course it's possible that the Q44A may have been a FLU route prior to QV opening. Also, I think 165th St-Term was quite important right up until the Parsons-Archer station opened. |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 31 17:35:30 2011, in response to Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by WayneJay on Tue May 31 13:38:16 2011. still is..!that place is jam packed everyday! |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Tue May 31 17:53:47 2011, in response to Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 31 01:12:11 2011. I'm not 100% sure if this is true, but I think the Q5 started serving Green Acres before the Q85. When I moved to Queens in 1990, the Q85 only served Rosedale, but I recall the Q5 serving Green Acres. |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 31 17:57:32 2011, in response to Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by Forest Glen on Tue May 31 17:53:47 2011. Was the N5 still running at the time? Because that would have made the N5 redundant? |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by B53RICH on Tue May 31 19:23:07 2011, in response to Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by WayneJay on Tue May 31 13:38:16 2011. Yep, Q44A was a FLU route prior to QV opening. The Q44 and the rest of the other Q44 suffixes were all FLU. |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Tue May 31 20:54:28 2011, in response to Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by D to E to Jamaica on Mon May 30 23:14:56 2011. How about the routes that originated in Brooklyn such as the B22[Q24], B53[Q54], B[Q]55, B[Q]56, and B[Q]58?And look, there was nothing from the lower east side of Brooklyn to JFK [today's B15]. How did Airport workers get to and from work back in the day? Then there was the infrequently operated M35 and the now-dead [but highly needed today]Bronx bus over the Triborough Bridge. |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by 27TWIT on Tue May 31 21:19:44 2011, in response to Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon May 30 21:42:26 2011. There are a few things on this map that seem wrong to me, at least as I remember from the late 1960s (and I don't think they changed as of 1975).The Q10 Lefferts/Conduit branch is missing. That branch existed from way back and I don't know of its ever having been dropped. The Q41 is shown on 109th Ave. between 111th St and 127th St. when it should have been on 111th Ave. I know it was on 111th Ave. at least as far back as the 1960s. |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by 27TWIT on Tue May 31 21:28:09 2011, in response to Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by D to E to Jamaica on Mon May 30 23:14:56 2011. Keep in mind that in those days the Q3 was a rush-hours-only route. Making it full time freed up the Q5A to combine with the Bedell/Rochdale branch full time as well (it used to combine during overnight hours) since it didn't have to supply service along Farmers Blvd.The 2 shuttles (Laurelton and Rosedale) were rush hours only. Regarding the 25/34, there were no limited stop buses in those days (with the exception of the Q53), so it probably never occurred to anyone. I do wonder, though, why the MTA hasn't considered extending the present-day Q34 along Willets Point Blvd. to Fort Totten and eliminate the Francis Lewis / WPB branch of the Q16. And the Q44B (Malba Shuttle) was rush hours only plus some midday service, at least on the schedule - probably for students, not sure. I once made the mistake of waiting for it at noon and having it not show up until 3 PM. That was the longest wait for a bus I ever had. |
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Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file) |
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Posted by 27TWIT on Tue May 31 21:31:33 2011, in response to Re: Bus Map History #3: ''QUEENS Bus Guide'' map - 1975 (PDF file), posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 31 01:17:08 2011. Not sure what you mean by "a significantly relevant map", but the Q21A was most certainly a regularly operated and utilized route, lasting until some time in the 1980s. Service was not quite as bad as Q21 service, but still poor (40-minute daytime headways being typical). |
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