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Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 13:03:43 2011 Buses hit new 'low' - $45M buys cramped ceilings, legroom This bus comes up short. The MTA's newest buses have New Yorkers scratching their heads at the numskull design, where riders 5-foot-2 or taller can easily hit their noggins on the low roofs. The Nova Diesel Standards are 61.5 inches high at their lowest point along the rear windows, as compared to 69 inches in the Nova RTS buses dating from the late 1990s. The older models don't have interior steps leading to the back section in the rear. "They made this bus wrong. It's a waste of my money," said Garvin Peters, 31, while riding a new bus on the B6 line in southern Brooklyn. A group of eight seats in the back are also dramatically short on legroom, with 15 inches of space total. Passengers sit facing each other in these intimate quarters, leaving 7.5 inches of space per person. The old RTS buses gave 10 inches of space for riders. The strange setup forces the long-legged to sprawl themselves into the aisle, The Post observed during a recent ride. "These buses are made for a 98-pound woman who is 5 feet tall. The MTA should have taken some riders with them to test them before buying them," a union source said. The new Nova buses have 34 seats, whereas the older models averaged around 40. Overall, NYC Transit has about 4,600 buses split among the Nova, Daimler, Motor Coach and New Flyer manufacturers. The first crop of the new 90 buses made in upstate Plattsburgh started hitting city streets this month, mostly in Brooklyn. Nova will send the final shipment next month. The diesels cost taxpayers $45.3 million, and will eventually be used throughout the system, according to MTA documents. The MTA is experimenting with a few models of the bus before buying any more, a Nova spokeswoman said. MTA spokeswoman Deirdre Parker said that the reduced headroom is necessary to accommodate power and suspension systems. The buses are lower to the ground, making boarding quicker and eliminating the temperamental wheelchair lifts used in the older buses, she said. The bus also has one clear advantage for now -- a neutral new-car smell. Source: NY Post One thing they forgot to add is, Staten Island has these as well. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sun May 15 13:12:24 2011, in response to Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 13:03:43 2011. Wouldn't the LFSA's have some of these issues as well? |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 13:29:46 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by RailBus63 on Sun May 15 13:12:24 2011. The legroom and headroom is fine in the LFS artic model. But the MTA spec LFS 40 footer model, they forgot to do some researching.The only thing they have similar issues is the lack of seats, the rear door issue and plus the a/c is weak. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun May 15 13:32:22 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 13:29:46 2011. Both have the same ceiling height. However, the LFSA/LFX has a lot more high headroom. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun May 15 16:12:52 2011, in response to Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 13:03:43 2011. "These buses are made for a 98-pound woman who is 5 feet tall. The MTA should have taken some riders with them to test them before buying them," a union source said.They DID test these buses last year back in the Spring so this "union source" obviously don't know what they're talking about. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Sun May 15 16:46:55 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by LRG5784 on Sun May 15 16:12:52 2011. I think what the source meant was for the riders to give feedback, which I haven't heard much of with demos. |
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(Lack of Legroom photo) Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 17:23:09 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 13:29:46 2011. Here's nice example:from: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=409736&postcount=148 Comfortable...? |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun May 15 17:33:39 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Sun May 15 16:46:55 2011. I see what you mean. |
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Re: (Lack of Legroom photo) Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Sun May 15 19:44:02 2011, in response to (Lack of Legroom photo) Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 17:23:09 2011. Hey. Those LFSs would make great school buses. |
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Re: (Lack of Legroom photo) Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 19:53:44 2011, in response to Re: (Lack of Legroom photo) Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Sun May 15 19:44:02 2011. of course. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun May 15 20:39:19 2011, in response to Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 13:03:43 2011. Well on Staten Island they seem to be running the LFS fleet mainly on the lesser-used routes/runs, so that's why the Staten Island Advance didn't address this first but it's definitely a problem that needs to be fixed. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun May 15 20:49:44 2011, in response to Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 13:03:43 2011. The dude in the pic kinda looks like Suge Knight lol. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun May 15 20:52:57 2011, in response to Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 13:03:43 2011. Typical MTA contempt for passenger comfort! |
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Re: (Lack of Legroom photo) Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 21:06:19 2011, in response to (Lack of Legroom photo) Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 17:23:09 2011. MTA could have use a table to cover it up... from: http://www.busdrawings.com/Transit/ontario/yrt/viva/2010lfx/index.htm ... and make it more enjoyable ride. Ha. |
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Re: (Lack of Legroom photo) Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun May 15 21:42:47 2011, in response to Re: (Lack of Legroom photo) Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 21:06:19 2011. cool. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun May 15 22:09:02 2011, in response to Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 13:03:43 2011. Hmm...I heard of this but didn't realize it was so bad. Why do the artics not have this problem? |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 22:18:53 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun May 15 22:09:02 2011. Becaue the LFS artic has little more legroom than the 40 footer version . . .from: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=409736&postcount=148 |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Sun May 15 22:31:23 2011, in response to Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 13:03:43 2011. I'm glad Castleton got them, the LFS's wouldn't survive over here. Would have been a disaster for the Q58.A hope the New Flyer model has a better seating arrangement. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun May 15 22:53:58 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun May 15 22:09:02 2011. The artics have a longer low-floor section. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun May 15 22:54:34 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Sun May 15 22:31:23 2011. The B6 is a much busier route than the Q58. If they work on the B6, they'll work on the Q58. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun May 15 23:01:18 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by AMoreira81 on Sun May 15 22:54:34 2011. +1 |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Sun May 15 23:20:45 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by AMoreira81 on Sun May 15 22:54:34 2011. The B6 has is longer and has more buses. Also the streets are wider and traffic is not as bad making the buses more spread out. The Q58 is notorious for bunching due to traffic delays, and constantly deals with standing crowds because of it.I haven;t been on the LFS yet. I know Q58 riders have gotten use to the standing room of the OrionVII OG, and usually utilize the back standing as well. Low Floors are new to B6 riders, but how is the standing room? |
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Re: (Lack of Legroom photo) Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun May 15 23:25:57 2011, in response to (Lack of Legroom photo) Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 17:23:09 2011. Yay for no-bid contracts! |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 05:56:49 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by BMTLines on Sun May 15 20:52:57 2011. That's a lie and you know it. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Mon May 16 07:22:42 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by BMTLines on Sun May 15 20:52:57 2011. Typical Quebecois contempt for passenger comfort (or any transit logic) first. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 07:39:55 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 05:56:49 2011. Its the TRUTH and for some reason it really pisses you off that I state it so clearly!. The MTA conducted a study on passenger preferences with respect to bus seating capacity and then disregarded it when placing an order. There are several models of this bus which all comply with federal ADA regulations yet the MTA chose the LEAST COMFORTABLE one, thereby demonstrating their utter contempt for the passenger. It is a government monopoly - its motto should be: "The Public Be Damned"! |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon May 16 08:30:28 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 07:39:55 2011. Bookmarked!!! :-P |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 08:55:42 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 07:39:55 2011. No, it's a lie, like I said. And you know it. |
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Re: PHOTO :: The Legs of a Woman Standing on the Platform |
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Posted by bmtlines on Mon May 16 10:10:28 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 08:55:42 2011. What you are saying is a lie because you have no idea what I know!The newspaper article in the OP as well as the MTA study I cited give me sufficient reason to maintain my position. |
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Re: PHOTO :: The Legs of a Woman Standing on the Platform |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 10:13:02 2011, in response to Re: PHOTO :: The Legs of a Woman Standing on the Platform, posted by bmtlines on Mon May 16 10:10:28 2011. Nope. I conclusively proved in the thread a while back that your statement is a lie. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 10:17:53 2011, in response to Re: PHOTO :: The Legs of a Woman Standing on the Platform, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 10:13:02 2011. Sorry for the subject change - I was posting from a cellphone and somehow it retained the last thing I responded toAnyway - You conclusively proved NOTHING, especially in light of this article and the MTA study which were not available when I was debating you in that thread, until you resorted to personal attacks. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 10:18:43 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 10:17:53 2011. Incorrect. I did conclusively prove your lie. And your references to that bus study WERE available at the time. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 16 10:18:57 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 10:17:53 2011. So when is the next episode coming? |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 10:19:30 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 10:17:53 2011. And I did not make any unwarranted personal attacks. You were quite confused about that. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 10:21:10 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 10:18:43 2011. You proved NOTHING! Even though the study was available I did not find it until AFTER you attacked me. If I had found it I would have included it earlier but I see you are making no effort to rebut it. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 10:22:24 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 10:19:30 2011. Calling me a liar and a hypocrite is a PERSONAL ATTACK, sir. YOU are the one who is quite confused! |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 10:22:43 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Railman718 on Mon May 16 10:18:57 2011. Very soon!!! |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 16 10:24:42 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 10:22:43 2011. Good the imformation that is being given is most valuable.. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 16 10:25:02 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Railman718 on Mon May 16 10:24:42 2011. *Information. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 10:38:53 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 10:21:10 2011. No, I proved that you were lying. And as I recall it was available. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 10:39:34 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 10:22:24 2011. No, in the context of that thread, it was not an unwarranted personal attack, as it was true. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Mon May 16 11:04:44 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Railman718 on Mon May 16 10:24:42 2011. Don't call it "information"... That would be a LIE!"Misinformation" would be a more appropriate term.... And the value will be measured in snickers, laffs and guffaws! I'm going with "Priceless" STILL YADDA YADDA YADDA |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon May 16 11:13:35 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by AMoreira81 on Sun May 15 22:53:58 2011. But the legroom issues were with the high floor section, I thought. I sat in that "conference" area on the M15 SBS and felt no discomfort whatsoever, and could even stretch my long legs out since there was nobody directly in front of me (I rode backwards). The man pictured barely has room for his knees. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon May 16 11:14:56 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Gold_12th on Sun May 15 22:18:53 2011. I see what you mean...I'm just wondering why this is the case. Maybe I'll understand when I ride the 40 footers, but I thought they would have very similar specifications where there wouldn't be such an obvious difference in leg room. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon May 16 11:21:18 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 07:39:55 2011. Wait...how so? Just skimming through the study, they seem to be following the preferences to a T, with two level low floor buses and 2x1 seating on the low floor section with 2x2 seating on the upper section.Not trying to pwn anyone, just trying to make sense out of the whole thing... |
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Re: PHOTO :: The Legs of a Woman Standing on the Platform |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 16 11:32:13 2011, in response to Re: PHOTO :: The Legs of a Woman Standing on the Platform, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 10:13:02 2011. Well ..lets see it..i mean..for the sake of the argument,lets say you did post "indisputable proof"..link us to it..show us where YOUR FACTS RELATE TO THE MTA's study..where BMTLINES is incorrect..and WHY. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 16 11:34:27 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 10:39:34 2011. Again..lets get to the root of this issue. let see your link. |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 11:45:31 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 10:38:53 2011. You are missing the point - I was not aware of the study at the time, which you are still ignoring. When I became aware of it, it only served to support my position. You DID NOT prove ANYTHING other than how RUDE and nasty you are! |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 11:49:41 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 16 10:39:34 2011. ALL PERSONAL ATTACKS are unwarranted - your rudeness is unacceptable and I will retaliateStay tuned for MORE TURTLE SOUP..... Meanwhile enjoy the remix: |
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Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room' |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon May 16 11:55:30 2011, in response to Re: Problems with MTA's Nova Bus LFS (40 ft): 'lack in head & leg room', posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon May 16 11:21:18 2011. Customers reacted very favorably to low floor bus designs with 37 or more seats (compared to 40 in NYC Transit's current buses). Low floor buses with significantly fewer seats got generally unfavorable ratings.The MTA buses have LESS than 37 seats and even some of those seats are unusable by many people, due to the lack of leg room as shown in the pictures in this thread. Customer preference and COMFORT was definitely NOT given priority by the MTA |
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