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Posted by BigBusDriver on Tue May 3 14:30:19 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by TheHat on Tue May 3 13:32:00 2011. Last two big bosses busted opted to put in their papers.... And those are just 2 that I know of. |
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| (231926) | |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 3 14:37:03 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Railman718 on Tue May 3 10:10:41 2011. Alright, my mistake. |
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| (231927) | |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 3 14:37:20 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 3 14:37:03 2011. Meant to respond to Mr Mabstoa. |
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| (231928) | |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 14:51:22 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 3 14:37:20 2011. Don't playa hate, appreciate! |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 14:58:11 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by TheHat on Tue May 3 13:32:00 2011. You have the understand the climate of OA management the time she came up.You still had a lot of dinosaurs from the 70's and 80's when she shot up. There was a lot of resentment becuase of it and of course her being a woman didn't help much either. She was protected and anyone who got in her way were forced to retire or were transfered to other units, (EG. training school, boro transfer). The job has changed very much in the last several years where you have many young educated people getting management positions who never came up the ranks. I really don't care and I help them out when I can because you sense that they really feel uncomfortable at times because of lack of knowledge. Being a buff I love my job and don't really bother with the politics or promotions. I'm just happy to be here and feel empathy for others like newbie dispatchers and outside managers. I think there was an attempt to wash this away by demoting her but someone somewhere (126 st?) is probably going to get affected seniority wise by here coming back and they made sure the public found out. Now she may be out of everything. |
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| (231930) | |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 15:00:13 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr RT on Tue May 3 08:35:44 2011. She was allowed to take home her car.The issue is signing a offical time card and lying on it. MTA takes these documents very seriously. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Tue May 3 15:09:10 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 14:58:11 2011. Never heard of an ESTABLISHED AGS/AGM getting busted all the way back to SLD. Does she get back into TSO now? Days off? What seniority does she take? I work in 126St, I file a grievence on this as soon as she steps on the property! |
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| (231932) | |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 3 15:49:10 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 15:00:13 2011. "MTA takes these documents very seriously."They take seriously what they want to take seriously. When I started, 30 years ago. They gave me a car to take home and bring back to work. But guess what? If I needed it during the day for work purposes, I couldn't use it. I either had to take the train or try to steal a ride with someone else going to the same place. The TA is a joke. Some of the other things I know I'm too embarrassed to speak about publicly. |
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| (231933) | |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 17:13:15 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by BigBusDriver on Tue May 3 15:09:10 2011. Thats how the Post got it!126 St depot dispatchers are in the SSSA and pick differently than OA dispatchers. Also being she is civil service she goes back to her last represented title. As I said in another post I think TA was trying to sweep this away but someone in 126 St (SLD) wasn't happy. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 17:16:34 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 3 15:49:10 2011. Well its like post dispatcher tallies.In school they tell us these are official documents and never to falsify them. Once my tallies saved an operator from getting fired because a female customer claimed he sexually assaulted her but my tallies showed he was no where near where she claimed he was. Managers technically are always on "the clock". They do not get paid by the hour so its moot, but she got caught falsifying records. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 3 17:38:07 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 17:16:34 2011. So far it is only alleged. There is the possibility she was set up. |
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| (231945) | |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue May 3 20:03:32 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 3 14:00:12 2011. True. I know, I'm on the radar. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue May 3 20:06:26 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 14:58:11 2011. Agreed, now it's two black eyes for the authority and you're right she maybe out of everything. She doesn't have that protection anymore. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue May 3 20:09:59 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 17:13:15 2011. That was the answer I was expecting. Last CS rep. title. I just never seen that before in action in the MTA. NYPD once, but not MTA. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue May 3 20:12:06 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 3 17:38:07 2011. That happenend in my depot just after the take over and he got fired by the guys who he was leaving early to meet up with. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Tue May 3 20:49:02 2011, in response to Adriana Natale, posted by MCI GUY on Mon May 2 16:03:39 2011. If she's been stealing time, then she's pretty lucky to just be getting demoted. I've been in the private sector for my entire career and I've heard of several who had lost their jobs for falsifying time sheets.I see it now too. I personally think too many employees develop a sense of entitlement and seem to feel it's OK to sneak in late/sneak out early and so on. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 21:12:45 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by TheHat on Tue May 3 20:09:59 2011. Yes OA are not civil service.One Super who fucked up in Paratransit was a OA dispatcher got nothing. Fired and in the street. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 3 22:35:14 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by WayneJay on Tue May 3 20:49:02 2011. What about someone who always arrives on time and leaves on time but does little or no meaningful work for their entire career. To me that is much worse than a conscientious person sneaking in late or leaving early. Most City agencies are no where as strict as the MTA when it comes to being on time. Isn't doing personal errands on work time stealing time? Yet that goes on all the time in middle management or higher. As I said they will only bother you for stealing time if they want to get you on something else.If you listen to your boss, come and leave on time, don't drink on the job, and don't sexually harass anyone, you've got it made at the TA even if you never accomplish anything. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 22:39:50 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 3 22:35:14 2011. Thats so true!If you have perfect attendance they will love you even if you are a dolt. You can be a fantanstic manager/supervisor but if you call in sick to much forget about it! |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue May 3 22:52:47 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 21:12:45 2011. No. I know, I just wasn't sure if she was TA or OA, alot of Joe Smith's people were OA. OA is prov. MTA Bus is wanna be MTA, like me. LOL! |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue May 3 22:54:24 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 22:39:50 2011. Yep! |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 23:13:47 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by TheHat on Tue May 3 22:52:47 2011. We've been getting a lot of MTA bus managers on our side and I can tell you they are nothing like NYCT managers.A lot of them see how cut-throat our operation is and they get shocked in the head. Guess the MTA/Privates were more like family operations they the prisons we run! |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue May 3 23:21:16 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 23:13:47 2011. Some of them get burnt out after seeing that. I know a few and they are truly burnt out and now bide their time until their retirement. It's almost PTSD for them, no joke! We at the privates knew each other, dinned together and drank together. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed May 4 00:52:39 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 3 22:35:14 2011. I agree that employers shouldn't carry dead weight either, but in the case of falsifying records... I guess it's easier to get rid of the person as it's often one of those things that will get someone terminated immediately. However, in the case of someone not doing their work, you have often have to build a case for termination through progressive discipline.I said in the past and I truly believe that a huge part of the problem(s) is that there's no (or very little) accountability. If employees are consistently held accountable for their actions from the top to the bottom, it would clear up lots of problems. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 4 00:59:14 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by WayneJay on Wed May 4 00:52:39 2011. I know for a fact that she was written up for leaving her post early as a dispatcher.I don't know if that would be brought up in this case. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 4 05:35:50 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 3 08:47:58 2011. Yes |
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Posted by Mr RT on Wed May 4 08:08:23 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue May 3 23:13:47 2011. Employee's of the "privates" worked for a man vs. a corporation.It was a very one-on-one kind of experience, i.e. if you screwed up & the man got mad at you then you were in big trouble. But on the other hand if you did your job & spent the effort to get along with your piers you were part of the team. I have fond memories of spending time near Christamas at the man's house with my co-workers. When I first started we have a cook. The man wanted you all togather for lunch, not because he wanted to preach to you, but because he wanted you all to get along & socializing helped a lot. Transit is a point fingers & cover your ass kind of place ... One of the main topics of the recent "Managers Meeting" was parterning ... we'll have to see if the culture changes in the ranks. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 4 08:19:52 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by WayneJay on Wed May 4 00:52:39 2011. The biggest and most appreciated talent inthe MTA is to be able to shift the blame to another department when something goes wrong. Being a good BSer gets you a promotion within management. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 4 08:21:52 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 4 00:59:14 2011. And I bet there are some dispatchers who don't even show up at their post all the time. Do they lookfor everyone who is stealing time? I doubt it. She was targeted for other reasons. |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed May 4 12:32:26 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 4 08:19:52 2011. having a BS in BS, LOL, but true. I see that a work every day, and the BS rolls downhill to the B/O's in our case. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 4 12:43:43 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 4 08:21:52 2011. She hasn't been a dispatcher for at least 15 years! |
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Posted by Brooklyn67 on Wed May 4 14:53:45 2011, in response to Adriana Natale, posted by MCI GUY on Mon May 2 16:03:39 2011. Is this the tall blonde girl or someone else? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed May 4 14:55:33 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Brooklyn67 on Wed May 4 14:53:45 2011. Yep her photo was posted. |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed May 4 15:05:16 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr RT on Wed May 4 08:08:23 2011. Hopefully, moral is lower than ever at MTABus. It's just depressing coming to work now. |
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Posted by Brooklyn67 on Wed May 4 15:05:17 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed May 4 14:55:33 2011. Thanks, I didn't read through all the replies. I recognized the name and was trying to remember who she is. I did see the news clip photo, but I remember quite a different look, if she's the same girl.I guess anyone who worked around her has a few things they know. And probably more they've heard through the grapevine. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Wed May 4 21:57:49 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by TheHat on Wed May 4 15:05:16 2011. I'm a clock watcher & live for the week-ends :-( |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 4 22:50:12 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr RT on Wed May 4 21:57:49 2011. Joe Scheurman is with you guys over there RT? |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu May 5 07:55:17 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 4 22:50:12 2011. He's a GS of Trans. at College Point ... never met him ... |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu May 5 11:35:27 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr RT on Thu May 5 07:55:17 2011. I thought you worked at College Point, sorry. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu May 5 12:24:01 2011, in response to Re: Adriana Natale, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu May 5 11:35:27 2011. When it was Queens Surface Corp. ... they have been playing musical chairs within MTA Bus too :-( |
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