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Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best? |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Aug 29 21:58:50 2010 Is it the new SEPTA hybrid: Or the WMATA variety:  IMHO. I like the SEPTA hybrid, however the white paint has to go. |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Sun Aug 29 22:06:23 2010, in response to Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Aug 29 21:58:50 2010. I like the WMATA a little more, but they both look cool. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 29 22:16:11 2010, in response to Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Aug 29 21:58:50 2010. SEPTA |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Sun Aug 29 22:18:04 2010, in response to Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Aug 29 21:58:50 2010. The SEPTA one. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Sun Aug 29 22:23:52 2010, in response to Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Aug 29 21:58:50 2010. That SEPTA Flyer could easily be passed as a CNG bus ... so can the DE40LFA. SEPTA has a boring color scheme in my opinion. Mostly a white bus with little color. I like the WMATA Paint schemes. More color w/ a refreshing look |
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Posted by aznboy4305 on Sun Aug 29 22:47:53 2010, in response to Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Aug 29 21:58:50 2010. I'm gonna have to say WMATA. I'm not a fan of either one but it is the lesser of two evils. SEPTA's has no flow; 21st century caps on an early 1990s body with an unexplained contraption on the roof. |
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Posted by Mack C-49 on Sun Aug 29 22:54:26 2010, in response to Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Aug 29 21:58:50 2010. Neither one would get my vote |
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Posted by bx36ltd on Mon Aug 30 01:09:54 2010, in response to Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Aug 29 21:58:50 2010. def the 1st flyer is way better lookin |
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Posted by daimlerbuses on Mon Aug 30 01:57:18 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by Mack C-49 on Sun Aug 29 22:54:26 2010. Agreed...roof shrouds and plastic BRT caps are ugly and overrated. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Aug 30 02:54:33 2010, in response to Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Aug 29 21:58:50 2010. Neither |
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Posted by busdude2 on Mon Aug 30 05:52:46 2010, in response to Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Aug 29 21:58:50 2010. I agree I like Septa's also except for too much white paint. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Aug 30 09:04:17 2010, in response to Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Aug 29 21:58:50 2010. WMATA obviously has the better paint scheme (but that's not hard to do over SEPTA), but I have a hard time looking at both buses. I'm not feeling the "extra" stuff on top of SEPTA's newest DE40LFRs. While I still don't care for LFAs, I think WMATA's look better since they took off the wheel covers. 
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Posted by RailBus63 on Mon Aug 30 09:37:15 2010, in response to Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Aug 29 21:58:50 2010. I’ll vote for the SEPTA bus because I hate the front-end cap on the WMATA buses, but I equally hate the roof cowlings.. We really shouldn’t be allowing transit agencies to waste money on unnecessary plastic crap like this during one of the worst financial and fiscal crises our country has faced. People would get where they’re going with a basic DE40LFR. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Mon Aug 30 10:01:42 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by RailBus63 on Mon Aug 30 09:37:15 2010. And fancy crap like roof cowlings are much of why WMATA has given peak rail riders 4 fare increases in 6 months (yet Metrobus getting hiked 5 cents leads to an uproar). |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Aug 30 12:29:27 2010, in response to Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Aug 29 21:58:50 2010. In THIS comparison, SEPTA's looks the best IMO. However, someone out there (don't remember who) has the same version as SEPTA's only with the frameless windows, which likely looks even better! :) I think they even have the full glass doors.I don't remember which agency it was, though. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Aug 30 12:31:03 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by aznboy4305 on Sun Aug 29 22:47:53 2010. "...with an unexplained contraption on the roof."LOL...."what's up there?" They are both based on the same 1990s body, though....just one has frameless windows. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Aug 30 12:40:08 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by RailBus63 on Mon Aug 30 09:37:15 2010. We really shouldn’t be allowing transit agencies to waste money on unnecessary plastic crap like this during one of the worst financial and fiscal crises our country has faced. People would get where they’re going with a basic DE40LFR.I remember the first time I rode one of WMATA's then brand new NABI 60BRTs on the U8. At least one person on the street watched our bus as we passed by. The new scheme and design grabbed the people's attention. Why can't buses grab people's attention like the lovely designs found on LRT? There has to be a balance or people will just not notice bus transit anymore. |
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Posted by Q4 on Mon Aug 30 12:43:37 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Aug 30 12:40:08 2010. WMATA |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Aug 30 12:49:25 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by Q4 on Mon Aug 30 12:43:37 2010. The scheme puts SEPTA at a major disadvantage. Of course, I've always been partial to the LFR design anyway. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Mon Aug 30 14:48:38 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by Q4 on Mon Aug 30 12:43:37 2010. And expensive styling packages and extensive paint schemes are a small part of why that agency is broke.Union fleecing and the fact that Annapolis/Richmond use the DC area as their ATM as well as a very poor corporate culture are larger reasons, but fancy buses are draining away the dough too. |
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Posted by aznboy4305 on Mon Aug 30 20:14:50 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Aug 30 12:31:03 2010. Right but the frameless window treatment is all thats needed to "streamline" the flow from the front to the rear cap, it offers some sort of connectivity to make it all belong together. SEPTA's 1990s body actually LOOKS like a 1990s body, with a modern front and rear cap that looks like it doesn't belong. |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Aug 30 21:27:40 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Aug 30 12:29:27 2010. Mississauga Transit?Honolulu's The Bus? |
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Posted by aznboy4305 on Mon Aug 30 22:25:54 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by Scrabbleship on Mon Aug 30 14:48:38 2010. Capital expenses does not compare to operating expenses in the world of transit. That's like saying you shouldn't buy decent shoes if you cannot afford your mortgage. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Mon Aug 30 22:28:23 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by aznboy4305 on Mon Aug 30 22:25:54 2010. But if you can cut back on capital you can save operating. |
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Posted by aznboy4305 on Mon Aug 30 23:26:07 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by Scrabbleship on Mon Aug 30 22:28:23 2010. Not necessarily, no. You cannot take money you were specifically given to purchase capital and use it to operate. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Tue Aug 31 02:10:57 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by aznboy4305 on Mon Aug 30 23:26:07 2010. i second that |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Tue Aug 31 02:14:17 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Aug 30 12:29:27 2010. San Francisco MTA ???
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Aug 31 02:19:14 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by lbt 9415 on Tue Aug 31 02:14:17 2010. Heh, how long was that scheme the "official" scheme? It seemed to have a short life, no? |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Aug 31 02:26:36 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by Dr. Casca on Mon Aug 30 21:27:40 2010. Wow, Mississauga's bus looks great! The one I'm thinking of is 40 feet and had some sort of green scheme with frameless windows.Oh well, if SEPTA's had those frameless windows (and perhaps a better scheme) the buses would look awesome. For now, they just look quite nice, providing a little variety in the future of SEPTA's fleet. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Aug 31 11:16:15 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by aznboy4305 on Mon Aug 30 23:26:07 2010. Well in extreme cases that should be allowed. When rush hour rail riders have 4 fare increases in 6 months, something is clearly wrong. |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Aug 31 11:49:42 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Aug 31 02:26:36 2010. You mean like Pierce Transit? |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Aug 31 11:50:34 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Aug 31 02:26:36 2010. You mean like VIA San Antonio? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Aug 31 12:20:03 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Aug 31 11:16:15 2010. And if all the same increases had been rolled up into one, it would have not been "wrong" anymore? Since June, I count ONE fare increase that was introduced in multiple phases. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Aug 31 12:27:47 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Aug 31 12:20:03 2010. In the minds of the average rider, they count it as three. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Aug 31 12:29:01 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Aug 31 11:16:15 2010. Well in extreme cases that should be allowed. When rush hour rail riders have 4 fare increases in 6 months, something is clearly wrong.In WMATA's case, once you start taking from the capital budget to pay for operating expenses, things can go downhill REALLY quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if they already did that in past years, and, well, you know what's happening. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Aug 31 12:29:53 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Aug 31 11:50:34 2010. It might be. I didn't recognize the scheme, though. Someone posted a picture of it on PTV but I can't find it. Oh well, I guess. It looked good, heh. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Aug 31 13:01:11 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 29 22:16:11 2010. Look at how SEPTA's looks like the trackless.
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Aug 31 13:24:40 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Aug 31 12:29:01 2010. Some board members wanted to do that, but the plan was largely rejected. |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Aug 31 21:01:25 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Aug 31 12:29:53 2010. Check out VIA San Antonio's New Flyer DE40LFR Suburbans on Flickr. Also, check out their new 2010 NABI CNGs as well... |
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Posted by ctrabs74 on Wed Sep 1 00:00:36 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Aug 31 12:29:53 2010. It was San Antonio. |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Sep 1 00:12:45 2010, in response to Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Aug 29 21:58:50 2010. the septa one |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Wed Sep 1 01:02:34 2010, in response to Re: Which Flyer Hybrid looks the best?, posted by ctrabs74 on Wed Sep 1 00:00:36 2010. YES, that's it! Thank you very much - all I could remember is that it seemed to be from Texas. |
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