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135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by Bx36Ltd on Wed Jul 28 18:22:47 2010 I wonder if there gona be number 7820-7954 since the last cng oroins they got ended with 7819 ?? Just a thought |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Jul 28 18:34:49 2010, in response to 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by Bx36Ltd on Wed Jul 28 18:22:47 2010. The TA usually don't have the groups numbered that close. If they choose to use the 78/7900 series, my guess is that they'd start with 7850. |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 28 18:52:45 2010, in response to 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by Bx36Ltd on Wed Jul 28 18:22:47 2010. 8000-8474 is also open. (The option is almost certain to be exercised.)BTW, the MTA has never used 7938-7999 for buses---ever. (Other series that have yet to be run on MTA buses: 1859, 6958-6999, and 7286-7299.) |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jul 28 18:53:53 2010, in response to 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by Bx36Ltd on Wed Jul 28 18:22:47 2010. I hope these buses are LFRs! It would suck if these buses are the old design, the only diffence would be it would have Orange signs and an Cummins engine. :( |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 28 18:54:22 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jul 28 18:53:53 2010. They have to be LFRs or Excelsiors. |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Jul 28 19:26:33 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 28 18:52:45 2010. I know. Grew up in the Bronx in the 1970s, so I'm very familiar with all of the fleet numbers for NYCTA/MABSTOA buses from the new looks up to present day. |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by Bx36Ltd on Wed Jul 28 20:38:53 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 28 18:52:45 2010. it could happn thou |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Wed Jul 28 20:55:46 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 28 18:54:22 2010. Its LFR. They need a demo for Excelsior to see if it fits MTA profile. |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 28 21:14:12 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by gOlD_12tH on Wed Jul 28 20:55:46 2010. It would be cool to see the Xcelsior on the B63 and B67. |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by rionOne on Wed Jul 28 21:25:31 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by gOlD_12tH on Wed Jul 28 20:55:46 2010. Word on the street is that these are suppose to be LFs with the old face.However, I don't believe it, NFI did away with that face as a standard and stated that you'd have to pay extra for the old face. I don't think we're in a position to pay extra, and paying extra would easily put the DBNA bid cheaper than the New Flyer bid. But I guess this will be one of those we'll see things... |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Jul 28 21:54:27 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by rionOne on Wed Jul 28 21:25:31 2010. Any pictures of what this unot may look like? |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Jul 28 21:55:06 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Jul 28 21:54:27 2010. typo sorry unit |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jul 28 22:04:48 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Jul 28 21:54:27 2010. If it is indeed the old design, most likely like C40LF 915 but with an whiteback and clean windows lol. |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 28 22:25:45 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 28 18:52:45 2010. Interesting. On the subway side, 7960-7999 have never been used (AFAIK), so those numbers have never appeared on a NYC transit vehicle. And it might stay that way, if the R-188s pick up where the R-142As left off, there will be a total of 146 new cars, which would be 7811-7956.Source for R-188 info |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Wed Jul 28 22:29:26 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by rionOne on Wed Jul 28 21:25:31 2010. If you referring to that guy on NYCTF... Is his info legit unless he makes up another silly story?I agree with you MTA is not going to pay lots of money for the old design back. |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Wed Jul 28 22:34:14 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jul 28 22:04:48 2010. I really do not think they going back to that old design if MTA stupidly put more wasteful dollars in to the bus with an outdated look. The "LFR" buses looks great except the front doors with two piece window look like somewhat RTS front doors is hideous. I rather have 1 long window version of the front door. MTA better choose that route. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 28 22:37:59 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 28 22:25:45 2010. I'm not sure if the MTA has used 7960-7999 for any public transit vehicle (NYC Transit, Long Island Bus, MTA Bus, Long Island Rail Road, or Metro-North Railroad). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 28 23:11:38 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by gOlD_12tH on Wed Jul 28 22:34:14 2010. How would MTA stupidly waste dollars just by buying a bus with an older look? |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Wed Jul 28 23:33:43 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 28 23:11:38 2010. The old design has been discontinued. It will cost extra to bring back the old design. There is nothing with the new one. Why are you asking that since you dont like buses? |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 28 23:40:39 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by gOlD_12tH on Wed Jul 28 23:33:43 2010. How do you know it will cost extra? |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Wed Jul 28 23:50:15 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 28 23:40:39 2010. read here |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 29 00:03:39 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by gOlD_12tH on Wed Jul 28 23:50:15 2010. Read here: How do you know it will cost extra? |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Thu Jul 29 00:28:45 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 29 00:03:39 2010. You suck at reading it. |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Jul 29 00:32:58 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 28 23:40:39 2010. 
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Jul 29 02:16:42 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 28 23:40:39 2010. New Flyer discontinued the original face in 3rd Quarter 2009. Just like Gillig with its face options, New Flyer would only build buses with the older face at an inflated cost since the were no longer mass producing the original face cap.Gillig charges an addition $17,000 per bus for the different face and the New Flyer price is not far from that per unit (IIRC around $10,000 per bus) to re-tool the production line to build the older face. The last two properties to receive New Flyers with the original face were SEPTA and CTA in 2009. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 29 06:35:30 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by gOlD_12tH on Thu Jul 29 00:28:45 2010. No, but you suck at answering questions.You have no idea if it will actually cost more or not. That is clear now. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 29 06:40:24 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by rionOne on Thu Jul 29 02:16:42 2010. You don't know if NF might agree to retool for free (or very minimal cost) FOR A BIG ENOUGH ORDER. |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Jul 29 09:28:52 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 29 06:40:24 2010. 135 buses (with the POSSIBLE prospect of an addition 340) is barely enough. Most manufacturers only go crazy like that if the order is 500 units or better. We've only secured 135 definite buses and who's to say if we take some, all or none of the 340 option buses. New Flyer would be taking a serious chance doing such a thing for free, I'm sure you know that cost are definitely involved to re-tool a production line for something that its not producing at the current time.Knowing New Flyer's shaky financial history, why take that risk without charging the necessary cost to the contract? From a business standpoint, it would be a poor poor decision on their part. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 29 09:42:23 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by rionOne on Thu Jul 29 09:28:52 2010. Do you also know if the old line has definitely been totally taken down? |
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Posted by ctrabs74 on Thu Jul 29 09:51:33 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by rionOne on Thu Jul 29 02:16:42 2010. I was under the impression that Cincinnati (hybrids) and Detroit (D40LF, IIRC) also recieved New Flyers with the old face after the SEPTA 8120-8339 and CTA orders. Do I have the timeline wrong? |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Jul 29 09:53:34 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 29 09:42:23 2010. Supposedly it had been taking down, but got disposed of. Just like Orion with the V model, the jigs still exist. |
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Correction...Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Jul 29 09:54:05 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by rionOne on Thu Jul 29 09:53:34 2010. *but NOT gotten disposed of. |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Jul 29 09:55:06 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by ctrabs74 on Thu Jul 29 09:51:33 2010. They all came off the production around the same time. But Chicago came off the line last with the DE60LF Hybrid Artic. |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Thu Jul 29 10:46:40 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by rionOne on Wed Jul 28 21:25:31 2010. It will be LFRs because if there was anybody who was married to the old face on their Flyers, it was SEPTA. Our first two batches of Hybrids had the old face, but the 2010 models have the new face:
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jul 29 12:07:55 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by rionOne on Wed Jul 28 21:25:31 2010. Honestly, Trevor, I agree with you. Besides, with the amount of Orion VII NGs out there, as well as the Nova LFSs, the Designlines, and the newest MCIs, going to the old design would make the new CNG New Flyers look incredibly dated compared to the new fleet.Besides, what incentive would MTA have to keeping the old design? IF these new New Flyers are replacing the old ones, there's no point in having "fleet commonality". All this outside of the price to keep the old design. It would just be a waste and provides no benefits at all. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jul 29 12:10:01 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by rionOne on Thu Jul 29 09:55:06 2010. What about the D40LFs. Aren't they still in production with the old face as a part of the multi-year contract, or did those change too like the SEPTA units? |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 29 14:13:48 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 29 06:35:30 2010. You suck at everything. Maybe you should jump off a high rise building. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Jul 29 15:30:03 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jul 29 12:07:55 2010. Not to mention Customers on JG routes won't realize its an new bus! This news (If it is true) that the these buses will have the old design is the biggest buzzkill ever, 98% of the hype of this order was the fact that the LFRs would be coming into this city, if its the old design... meh. I wonder, if it is the old design would they even have to do driver training at JG? lol. |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Thu Jul 29 15:49:46 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jul 29 12:10:01 2010. Also, what about Seattle's DE60LF order? Even though there is an order for 100 DE62LFA's for their RapidRide BRT projects, there have been more deliveries of 6800-series buses (notably #6832-6864, which are still coming in for acceptance and readiness for service as we speak) and Sound Transit's 9620s, from the same order, not unless they were held at the plant and delivered recently...not sure about those...-Dr. C |
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Posted by R22 Shoal Point on Thu Jul 29 18:06:37 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jul 29 12:10:01 2010. The Metrolinx consortium (a group of agencies in Ontario, Canada jointly buying buses) still has some outstanding deliveries. they should be D40LF models as the ones delivered so far have been. |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Fri Jul 30 10:07:33 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by rionOne on Thu Jul 29 02:16:42 2010. Since NewFlyer discontinued the "LFR"s, all new buses are just classified as "LF"s. |
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Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 30 10:23:35 2010, in response to Re: 135 CNG NewFlyer Order, posted by lbt 9415 on Fri Jul 30 10:07:33 2010. However, the model may still be the LF model if that was negotiated in the contract (as the MTA already has that model). It may not be the LFR or Excelsior after all. |
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