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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Mar 7 18:36:45 2010, in response to 60 Years Ago, posted by Andy on Sun Mar 7 18:32:58 2010. I thought the transfer tickets were given out at Broadway/Nassau. |
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Posted by Andy on Sun Mar 7 18:46:24 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Mar 7 18:36:45 2010. Yes - for trips returning to Brooklyn. Going from Brooklyn to Manhattan the bus operator gave you a paper transfer that was dropped in a fare box at the turnstile at High Street. Of course you could then ride on the subway forever if you really wanted to. In order to get a free transfer from the A train to the buses at High Street, one had to buy a new token at Broadway/Nassau (at only certain designated booths, if I remember correctly) and request bus transfer at that time. The transfer was only good that day but could be used at any time that day. So if a person was really doing a round trip to/from BroadwayNassau the obvious thing would be to buy the token and transfer when exiting to avoid waiting on line on the return trip (presumably in the PM peak when lines would be long). |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Mar 7 19:05:04 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by Andy on Sun Mar 7 18:46:24 2010. When did the people tranfering from Brooklyn Bus to Subway start going to Jay Street? I started at transit in February 1979 and quite a few times I worked at the booth at the north end of the station. Customers would give me the transfers and I'd buzz them thru the turnstile nearest the booth. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Mar 7 19:56:12 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Mar 7 19:05:04 2010. That was 1969 when the Myrtle Avenue L ended service. They got a transfer from the B54 instead of from the train. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Mar 7 20:00:20 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Mar 7 19:56:12 2010. When did the people get the A train at Jay Street instead of High Street? |
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Posted by andy on Sun Mar 7 20:41:51 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Mar 7 20:00:20 2010. The Jay Street transfer, as another poster noted, started in Oct. 1969 when the Myrtle Ave. El stopped running south of Broadway. After that B54 bus riders were given transfers to the A train at Jay Street. The High Street transfer was separate and had been in place since 1950 when the Brooklyn Bridge trolleys stopped running. High Street routes were the B57, B62, B67, B69, and B75. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Mar 7 21:33:00 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by andy on Sun Mar 7 20:41:51 2010. So people transfering FROM the B54 bus to the subway would enter the system at Jay Street?Other people tranfering off the the B57, B62, B67, B69, and B75 buses would get on the system at High Street? And the same people would get the transfers to get on the B54, B57, B62, B67, B69, and B75 buses at Broadway/Nassau. At the booth neaerest the IRT 7th Avenue line. Booth N98? |
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Posted by andy on Mon Mar 8 07:34:07 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Mar 7 21:33:00 2010. Correct on the first two.Don't know the exact booth that issued the transfers at Broadway/Nassau. Might have been the one along the downtown IRT Lex near the exit to Fulton Street on the west side of Broadway. There was a sign outside the booth identifying as the location for issuing Brooklyn bus transfers. As an aside, imagine what a great tourist attraction was lost when the BB trolleys stopped running. A person could have taken a PCC over the Brooklyn Bridge, though downtown and Park Slope, go past Prospect Park, and then all the way down Coney Island Ave. to Coney Island itself. Would have been comparable to the SF cable cars but a lot longer and more interesting. But in the 1940s NYC did everything it could to kill the trolleys, and succeeded. |
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Posted by Dan on Mon Mar 8 11:03:00 2010, in response to 60 Years Ago, posted by Andy on Sun Mar 7 18:32:58 2010. Also amazing that the transfer arrangement meant for ex-trolley passengers lasted so long. |
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Posted by Dan on Mon Mar 8 11:10:15 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by andy on Mon Mar 8 07:34:07 2010. "As an aside, imagine what a great tourist attraction was lost when the BB trolleys stopped running."It must have been a nice commute in good weather for those who lived along the bridge lines and worked near the Manhattan terminal. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 8 11:58:52 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by Dan on Mon Mar 8 11:10:15 2010. During the summer months probably in the 1930s, they added a lot of open air trolleys as well as additional routes. You could take the B52 Gates Ave or the B48 Franklin/Lorimer for example straight down Coney Island Avenue to Coney Island without changing. Forget where I once read that. The B48 would operate doen the B33 route to Park Circle and then on Coney Island Avenue. The B52 might have turned down Franklin to, but I don't remember. I think there were about a half dozen routed in the summer along Coney Island Avenue. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 8 12:02:11 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by Dan on Mon Mar 8 11:03:00 2010. The TA was very clow to change. It took them over 25 years just to change the wording on top of the transfers. In the 1960s or maybe even 1970s it still said "BMT Lines" or something to that effect on top of the transfers. As a kid, not knowing the history, that always got me confused because I thought BMT only meant the subways. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Mar 8 12:23:49 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by andy on Mon Mar 8 07:34:07 2010. At Broadway/Nassau it was the booth closest to the entrance coming from the Fulton Fish Market. (Fulton and William) At the site was also the turn going to the IRT 7th Avenue line. I worked that booth years ago when the booth still had transfers. The custom was to stick them in the wire mesh fence in the booth window. This was years before booths had glass windows.The booth you refer to on the west side of Broadway was at the extreme other end of the station. The closest I saw as a tourist attraction with the BB trolleys was going accros the Brooklyn Bridge. The view was breath taking. At one point one could see everything in Manhattan from 14 Street north. A zoom lense would make some great pictures. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Mar 8 12:24:45 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by Dan on Mon Mar 8 11:10:15 2010. It wasn't a bad walk either! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Mar 8 12:30:19 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 8 12:02:11 2010. I think back in 1967 when TA opened up the Christie St connection they actually tried to get rid of the names IRT, BMT and IND. But the names were too ingrained in the minds of customers. |
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Posted by Dan on Mon Mar 8 13:06:12 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 8 11:58:52 2010. Was such "summer service" continued into the bus era? |
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Posted by Dan on Mon Mar 8 13:15:13 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 8 12:02:11 2010. The Brooklyn bus transfers said "BMT Bus Lines" on top, maybe as late as 1971 like you say. |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Mon Mar 8 13:16:00 2010, in response to 60 Years Ago, posted by Andy on Sun Mar 7 18:32:58 2010. This transfer option seemed to exist as late as 1985. That's when, while entering the High Street station, I saw a B75 transfer with the current date sitting on the top handrail of the escalator. Among the options were entry into the subway system at High Street. So I used it and saved myself a fare.Or, thinking back, it might have been a special transfer ticket unlike the blue and orange bus transfers used during the 1979-97 period. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 8 19:09:22 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by Dan on Mon Mar 8 13:06:12 2010. Definitely not. I don't even think it lasted until the end of the trolley era. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 8 19:12:23 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Mar 8 12:30:19 2010. They did get rid of it because the BMT and IND were no longer distinct. It became Division B, while the IRT is Division A. They have occasionally referenced it again on temporary signs, but I am not aware of where it is used on permanent signs, unless the maps still refer to it. I haven't checked. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 8 19:14:10 2010, in response to Re: 60 Years Ago, posted by Dan on Mon Mar 8 13:15:13 2010. When I get a chance I'll try to post a few of the ones with the transfers at High Street and Jay Street. More if I have the time. |
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