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Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29 |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Nov 16 22:32:04 2009, in response to Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 16 22:20:13 2009. Well... That's what it originally used to be. The Bx12 would operate between 207th-Bway and City Island or Pelham Bay Station. Some Bx12 buses also operated between Sedgewick Ave-Fordham Rd and Pelham Bay. |
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Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29 |
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Posted by DHF60 on Mon Nov 16 22:40:34 2009, in response to Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 16 22:20:13 2009. You would basically be reinstating the Bx12 as it once was before the creation of the Bx29 in the early 1990's which in itself, is not a bad idea. Having driven the Bx29 I can tell you that there isn't much ridership between City Island and Bay Plaza. One little glitch would be what type of equipment to run on the line. The Bx12 is almost exclusively the domain of articulated buses and that could get a little dicey on City Island especially when making the tight turn around at the end of the island. It wouldn't be impossible for the artic just a little tricky. You would also have to consider the delays caused by the raising of the draw bridge leading out to the island. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 16 23:08:54 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by DHF60 on Mon Nov 16 22:40:34 2009. With how popular Bx12 SBS though is, the Bx12 local could go to being a rigid route again though. IMO, for reliability purposes, such should be done, but the Bx12 Local should be truncated on the west end to Grand Concourse. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 17 00:10:44 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by WayneJay on Mon Nov 16 22:32:04 2009. Didn't know that, the MTA should have never removed City Island service. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 17 00:11:10 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 17 00:10:44 2009. Oh, and of course thanks for the info, my mistake for not including breda. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 17 00:12:46 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by DHF60 on Mon Nov 16 22:40:34 2009. Good points, but can't the artics make tighter turns than the Orion V? Also, is the City Island bridge more active than the University Heights bridge? |
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Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29 |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Tue Nov 17 01:48:06 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 16 23:08:54 2009. Bx12 local would no longer connect to the (4), plus some more Bx12 local stops would have to be eliminated west of Grand Concourse if they did that. |
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Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29 |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Tue Nov 17 01:51:24 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by DHF60 on Mon Nov 16 22:40:34 2009. I can tell you that there isn't much ridership between City Island and Bay Plaza.Perhaps the Bx29 could be combined with some of the short turn Bx12 runs ending at Pelham Bay Station. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 17 04:14:32 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 17 00:12:46 2009. Doubtful it opens much at all, as the planned replacement is a low-level fixed-span bridge.The City Island Bridge is not listed in the openings chart, which likely means it is permanently closed to marine traffic. University Heights (207th Street) lists only two vessel openings. Busiest bridge listed is the Shore Road/Pelham Pkwy bridge in the Bronx, with 1446 openings. http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/bridgerpt08_2.pdf (page 126) The report is from 2008. |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Tue Nov 17 05:57:06 2009, in response to Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 16 22:20:13 2009. When NYCT staff did on-board interviews in 1989, the overwhelming majority of riders were traveling only between City Island and the subway, AND they were frustrated that their service was always getting bogged down in Fordham Road traffic. THAT's why the Bx29 was split off. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 17 07:45:40 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Tue Nov 17 05:57:06 2009. If that's still the case then I guess that the Bx29 is fine as is. However, how come City Island riders don't complain about New England Thruway traffic the Bx29 encounters between Pelham Bay Park and Co-Op City in that case? |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Tue Nov 17 09:18:57 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by DHF60 on Mon Nov 16 22:40:34 2009. In addition, the creation of the Bx29 resulted in the loss of 24 hour service to City Island that was previously provided by the Bx12. |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Tue Nov 17 09:33:48 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by DHF60 on Mon Nov 16 22:40:34 2009. In addition, the creation of the Bx29 resulted in the loss of 24 hour service to City Island that was previously provided by the Bx12. |
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Posted by DHF60 on Tue Nov 17 09:38:03 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 17 00:12:46 2009. The artic could make the turn but it would be a little difficult and might require the bus to be backed up. The bridge I was referring to is the Shore Road/Pelham Parkway Bridge which must be crossed before reaching the City Island Bridge. As Mr. Eisenstein pointed out in his post, the Shore Road/Pelham Parkway Bridge does experience a lot of openings and this would impact the on time performance of an extended Bx12. |
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Posted by andy on Tue Nov 17 09:55:00 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by WayneJay on Mon Nov 16 22:32:04 2009. The way it was a long time ago (prior to Spring 1969):BX12 between Sedgwick/Fordham Road and City Island BX12A between Sedgwick/Fordham Road and Pelham Bay Park BX12B between Sedgwick/Fordham Road and Orchard Beach (summer only) BX 19 between 207/Broadway and Southern Blvd./Fordham Road. Why was it a split route? Because the BX19 was originally a Third Ave. Railway trolley, 207th Street Crosstown. BX12,12A,12B were always bus routes. The BX19 became a bus in 1948 but the route structure was left alone for 20 years. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Nov 17 13:18:48 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 17 07:45:40 2009. However, how come City Island riders don't complain about New England Thruway traffic the Bx29 encounters between Pelham Bay Park and Co-Op City in that case?Who are they going to complain to? I don't think there is any alternate route for the Bx29 to take to avoid that traffic. |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Tue Nov 17 15:27:12 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Tue Nov 17 01:48:06 2009. No local stops would be lost seeing as they're all SBS stops west of the Grand Concourse.They should just leave things as is or combine the Bx14 with the Bx29. You have the current Bx29 route to PBP then run it down Bruncker, loop through Country Club then run CC Rd, Middletown Rd to Westchester av then to Parkchester. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 17 18:09:30 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Nov 17 13:18:48 2009. There's always an alternate route although it might not be the most convenient. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Tue Nov 17 20:06:31 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Tue Nov 17 15:27:12 2009. There are 2 stops that are not SBS stops one is West at the Grand Concourse (E 190 St on the westbound side), the other is at Loring Place. Some local stops were eliminated in Manhattan for SBS |
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Posted by Q46 ltd glen oaks on Wed Nov 18 00:56:34 2009, in response to Re: Combining the Bx12 with the Bx29, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Tue Nov 17 20:06:31 2009. The bus stop is practically across from the main GC stop . It could be easily taken out. And they took out that Loring Place stop when Sedgwick was made a SBS stop |
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