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PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island... |
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Posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009 ENJOY! 
-Trevor www.ttmg.org |
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Posted by busdude2 on Wed Nov 4 19:26:24 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009. Nice pics good catch getting 1303. And RI is still running the NF with the same numbers as the Orions. |
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Posted by RTS_book on Wed Nov 4 19:32:40 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009. Yeesh, those D40LFs are looking tatty. Still, it's neat to see such early examples still running around... |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Nov 4 19:35:14 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009. Nice catch of 1303 on what would be my home line if I was still living in Brooklyn (of course back then it was the B47). Great pics. |
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Posted by R160 8818 on Wed Nov 4 19:45:16 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009. Nice pics and catches! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 4 19:46:06 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009. Nice catch of the Designline. I wonder: Is that bus running randomly on every GA route? I just saw it moments ago on the B13. |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusbuff on Wed Nov 4 19:48:19 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009. So Grand is getting that and the NGs? Something tells me Fresh Pond is getting back their upper 6500's. Cause there's no way Grand Av is going to trained for 4 bus types. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 4 19:49:13 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by DaRidgewoodBusbuff on Wed Nov 4 19:48:19 2009. I wonder if this is just for testing too; I have a hard time believing that Grand Avenue is being asked to break in large orders of two new types of buses simultaneously (they are also slated to get 58 O7 NGs any day now). |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Nov 4 19:52:21 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009. Great catch! |
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Posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:56:51 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 4 19:46:06 2009. Random, It was on the B60 Monday. |
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Posted by kingsbridge on Wed Nov 4 21:30:09 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009. all of those photos are great. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Nov 5 00:01:03 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009. Stunning! |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Nov 5 06:22:56 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009. Nice catch on the Designline! I never thought I'd see that bus on the B43 lol. |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Nov 5 09:53:31 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009. Thanks for all ya'll comments and compliments!-Trevor www.ttmg.org |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 5 10:22:25 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009. The foliage looks great on Surfevelt Island! |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Nov 5 11:46:55 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009. How come they have two buses numbered #3 ?  Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Nov 5 11:50:28 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009. May I suggest in a future bus order, that the RIOC have the buses painted much like the tram above with black window mask and white stripes , similar to the P&W railroad. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by R32_3672 on Thu Nov 5 11:56:26 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Nov 5 11:50:28 2009. Wait how long is 1303 staying@GA? |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Nov 5 12:10:15 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Nov 5 11:46:55 2009. Because the New Flyer was suppose to be retired. Originally RIOC ordered 8 Orion 07.501 Hybrids but only took delivery of 4. Probably a financially-related decision. So they still needed 3 to make score and for a spare factor. So they kept the 3 best ones: #1, 3 and 8. Bus #8 is used more as a spare parts bus, it hasn't seen service in quite some time and Bus #1 and 3 alternate.They need 5 Buses to make score, 4 buses running the regular RIOC Loop and 1 Bus on the Octagon Loop. Now RIOC just ordered an Orion 07.501 Next Generation so when that bus comes in, it'll be an all Orion. However with the upcoming Tram replacement, I don't think those two New Flyers will be going anywhere anytime soon. They'll need all the buses they have to run the RIOC loop service on the island as well as Buses going to and from Manhattan. -Trevor www.ttmg.org |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Nov 5 12:27:54 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by R32_3672 on Thu Nov 5 11:56:26 2009. No idea, seeing as how when the order really starts to flow in, the first 45 are Quill bound and the last 45 are Grand Avenue bound, subject to change. So that would put 1300-1344 at MJQ and 1345-1389 at Grand Avenue, AGAIN subject to change.But my guess is that 1303 is there to get the depot ready for the order, operator's and mechanics trained on the bus. What I did notice while riding it yesterday is that the Turbine does not run at all times. However when it does run, it makes a REALLY annoying high-pitched whine sound that gets old REAL quick, ESPECIALLY if you're sitting in the back. Click Here To Listen to the Designline without the Turbine Running Click Here To Listen to the Designline with the Turbine Running Recorded both by me. -Trevor www.ttmg.org |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Thu Nov 5 12:38:17 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Wed Nov 4 19:04:08 2009. Great pics all around.......... |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Nov 5 12:46:33 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Thu Nov 5 12:27:54 2009. Whats funny also is that after you shut the bus off the turbine keeps going for a few minutes until it shuts off. Makes you think you didn't shut down properly. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Nov 5 13:01:38 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Thu Nov 5 12:10:15 2009. Ooh what is the Octagon Loop? It's interesting they need so many buses. I thought the route was rather short. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Nov 5 13:05:57 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Thu Nov 5 12:27:54 2009. Wow. The turbine isn't too obnoxious though - it's pretty quiet, especially with the HVAC going. A nice tune like All 4 One's "My Child" playing through your headphones from your Cowon iAudio S9 could tune it out easily. |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Nov 5 13:25:06 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Nov 5 13:01:38 2009. I don't know the specifics, but it does something extra than the normal loop. I timed the buses yesterday. seems as if it takes a bus roughly 10-15 minutes to make a complete loop. Buses running roughly every 5-8 minutes.Example Bus 1 leaves the tram at 5PM gets back at 5:15PM and leaves again at 5:20PM. 4 Bus is what is needed to keep the loop moving. Usually a bus arrives at the Trams station while one is still there, so there is SOME overlap and time for recovery. The Octogon Local bus seemed to show up once every 15 minutes and it was just the same bus on the same line.  -Trevor www.ttmg.org |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Nov 5 13:26:40 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Nov 5 13:05:57 2009. Yeah sit back there for about 20 minutes, it gets obnoxious real fast to the point that I had to move to the front of the bus.-Trevor www.ttmg.org |
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Posted by QM18Express on Thu Nov 5 13:58:11 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Nov 5 13:05:57 2009. Yea it don't sound so bad for me! I can deal with it! |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Nov 5 15:07:04 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Thu Nov 5 13:25:06 2009. That's pretty cool! I hope I can grab a decent photograph of one of the New Flyers and Orions next time I'm up there. It has been quite a few years since I went onto the Island. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Nov 5 15:08:33 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Thu Nov 5 13:26:40 2009. Yikes, I see your point. How often is the turbine running? I think they say the bus can run on electric only for 40% of the time? |
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Posted by rionOne on Thu Nov 5 15:27:21 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Nov 5 15:08:33 2009. Let's see, I rode it from end to end on B43. It ran without the Turbine from Empire Bl to somewhere along Graham Avenue, so at least half the line it ran without the Turbine going. Then it was on for the rest of the trip. The B43 is about a 1 hour and 15 minutes from end to end.I mean in terms of fuel savings that's GREAT and puts the DesignLine Hybrid above and beyond the standard Series and Parallel Hybrid's that are seen on today's New Flyer, Orion, Gillig and NABI buses. If the turbine operates like how I seen it, that means that the Turbine is running HALF the time the bus out on the road, while the rest of the time is PURE electric. That is CONSIDERABLE fuel savings than having a standard internal combustion engine operating at the same RPM constantly the entire day in service. Aside from no need for fluid changes and belts, the DesignLine is poised to be a REAL green economy bus and I applaud the MTA taking a leadership role in embracing this technology on a large scale. -Trevor www.ttmg.org |
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Posted by RTS_Book on Fri Nov 6 11:28:10 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by rionOne on Thu Nov 5 15:27:21 2009. No fluid changes? I think you still need to change the oil -- there are less moving parts in a turbine than in a piston engine, but those that do move move at a higher speed and a hotter temperature.... |
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Posted by RTS_Book on Fri Nov 6 11:30:21 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Nov 5 12:46:33 2009. Because it's spinning at an ungodly speed (try 30-40,000 RPM). Shut off a turbine on a jet plane, and it does the same. |
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Posted by darpavader on Fri Nov 6 17:52:54 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Designing in Brooklyn, Then Chillin' On A Island..., posted by RTS_Book on Fri Nov 6 11:28:10 2009. The Capstone Turbine requires no fluid, oil , or coolent. It runs on an air-bearing. |
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