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Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 21:11:42 2009

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For years I have always wondered if the 1977 Flxs were ever given a rehab. Around '90 they seemed pretty clean. Looking at photos of them from the 80s they looked pretty beat up already but not when I rode them on the B1. Plus Ulmer Park did not have Blitz buses at that time but Gleason and Flatbush did so I thought the Flxs at Ulmer were their version.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by David on Mon Nov 2 21:39:25 2009, in response to Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 21:11:42 2009.

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I believe some work (flooring, for one thing) was done on them around 1984 or 1985. They never got a full, "Blitz"-type rehab.

David

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Nov 2 21:45:15 2009, in response to Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 21:11:42 2009.

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They received minor rebuilding. I remember a stop request sign was added, a la the RTS. It was a small version unlike the RTS which was much bigger.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by fishbowls4ever on Mon Nov 2 21:45:42 2009, in response to Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 21:11:42 2009.

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There was some kind of rebuilding on them, they had a show on channell 7 i believe groaning to a halut were they showed a bunch of flex new looks being rebuilt, wish i could get that episode

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by caine515 on Mon Nov 2 22:07:07 2009, in response to Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 21:11:42 2009.

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Ulmer Park DID have the blitz buses and had the last 77 Flx in service. Flx #9178 was assigned to Ulmer Park during 1993.
And the reason why Ulmer Park had Blitz? Because of a incident that occured with them running on Staten Island Verrazano Bridge. They were pulled off express lines and sent to Ulmer Park.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 22:15:14 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by caine515 on Mon Nov 2 22:07:07 2009.

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But that was a couple years later. What numbers were they I dont remember.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 22:16:56 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Nov 2 21:45:15 2009.

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Oh yeah! It said Bell Rung. I always assumed it was factory. Plus the whole bunch of them were painted white with the blue stripe.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Manwithaplan on Mon Nov 2 22:21:06 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by fishbowls4ever on Mon Nov 2 21:45:42 2009.

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220 buses between TA & OA had minor rebuilding done, and almost all were repainted in the curent MTA white and blue paint scheme in 1978, while some buses were repainted in the white with dark blue scheme. Bus #9005 was rebuilt with a front end from a 5000 series Flxible due to a front end accident. Bus 9013 was equipped with a wheelchair lift.

MWAP

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Nov 2 22:26:49 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by caine515 on Mon Nov 2 22:07:07 2009.

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I remember that. A wheel broke off or an axle?

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by rionOne on Mon Nov 2 22:38:09 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Nov 2 21:45:15 2009.

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I also remembered some of them getting Roof Mount HVACs similar to the Blitz style.

-Trevor

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 22:38:48 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Manwithaplan on Mon Nov 2 22:21:06 2009.

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Why did they do all that only after a year? A wheel broke off?

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by rionOne on Mon Nov 2 22:39:21 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by caine515 on Mon Nov 2 22:07:07 2009.

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Some of those SI Blitz buses also ended up at Hudson Pier.

-Trevor

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 2 22:39:45 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by rionOne on Mon Nov 2 22:38:09 2009.

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Really?

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by B53RICH on Mon Nov 2 23:09:57 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by rionOne on Mon Nov 2 22:38:09 2009.

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I had seen from JG some 9000 series Flx's and a 784X Flx with that roof HVAC setup.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Nov 2 23:11:14 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by caine515 on Mon Nov 2 22:07:07 2009.

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An express bus on the highway in Brooklyn had a bellows let loose, and the bus, at speed, dropped onto the rear duals. The rear tires came up THROUGH the wheelwell and exploded the wheelwell, blinding a passenger. All Blitz' were pulled (quietly) from express service after that. Hudson got 5552, 5553 and IIRC a few others. They were FAST!!!

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Manwithaplan on Mon Nov 2 23:14:20 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by rionOne on Mon Nov 2 22:38:09 2009.

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Yes Trev, 9021, 9050, and 9056 were equipped with Sutrak
roof top air condition units.

MWAP

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Nov 2 23:26:32 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Manwithaplan on Mon Nov 2 23:14:20 2009.

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I never saw those! Wish I did!

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by 33rd Street on Tue Nov 3 00:17:59 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Nov 2 23:11:14 2009.

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When did Hudson Pier get rid of their Blitz'? I would like to know since HUD was my home depot from 1988 to 2003.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Nov 3 00:25:26 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by 33rd Street on Tue Nov 3 00:17:59 2009.

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92 93?

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Nov 3 08:35:32 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by 33rd Street on Tue Nov 3 00:17:59 2009.

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The Blitz bus were taken out of passenger service in 1995.

MWAP


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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Nov 3 09:35:34 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Nov 3 08:35:32 2009.

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True but what year did they leave hudson pier?




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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by caine515 on Tue Nov 3 10:12:20 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Nov 2 21:45:15 2009.

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anyone remember the ones assigned to staten island. The numbers were like 9130 and up. they had seats like the R44 and R46 subway cars.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Nov 3 10:30:05 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by caine515 on Tue Nov 3 10:12:20 2009.

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Really?



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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Nov 3 10:39:41 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by caine515 on Tue Nov 3 10:12:20 2009.

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9130-9154 had 2+2 seats with paded inserts for express service at
both Castleton and Edegwater. These buses were equipped with a
2 piece front and side desinations signs. Buses 9155-9159 also had
these features, but were equipped with DDA 8V-71 engines.

MWAP

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Nov 3 15:16:02 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Nov 3 10:39:41 2009.

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The MTA had set aside 9309 to join the Vintage Bus Fleet, has the
last new look style bus in the MTA's bus fleet. However, the word
did not get around to everyone, and the bus was scraped.

MWAP

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by caine515 on Tue Nov 3 15:58:58 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Nov 3 10:39:41 2009.

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i remember seeing these buses assigned to Yukon. They looked in shotty condition at the time. Scratched windows...could see inside.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Nov 3 16:16:42 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by caine515 on Tue Nov 3 15:58:58 2009.

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That's because S.I. dosen't take care of their equippment. And those
9000 series Flxibles were the best Flxibles NYCTA had purchased. You just wait and see how long before the Orion NG 7's in S.I. start to look like shit.

MWAP

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by WayneJay on Tue Nov 3 19:35:04 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Nov 3 10:39:41 2009.

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9130-9154 had 2+2 seats with paded inserts for express service at
both Castleton and Edegwater. These buses were equipped with a
2 piece front and side desinations signs. Buses 9155-9159 also had
these features, but were equipped with DDA 8V-71 engines.


Yeah, I remember those buses. I always wondered why the rest of the buses didn't have the two-piece sign curtains. Also, in addition to those last 5 TA buses (9155-9159) having the DD 8V-71N engine... OA's first 5 (9160-9164) also had the DD 8V-71N engine. Those buses were rockets!


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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by B53RICH on Tue Nov 3 20:11:14 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Nov 3 15:16:02 2009.

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Rats, someone didn't receive the memo.
If I remember correctly, I once saw 9309 on the Q56, actually the B56 back then.


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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Nov 3 20:19:54 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by WayneJay on Tue Nov 3 19:35:04 2009.

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Yes WJ, they were rockets. Those first 5 MaBSTOA 9000's first
assignment was at the Coliseum Depot. The drivers used to fight
with yard dispachers to get one of those sweet sounding 8V-71's.
I use to ride them all the time when I lived by the old Bx9 route
(Eastchester Road) and these buses would fly down the street and
let out a roar when the throttle was cracked open. Man, how I miss the old days!!!

MWAP

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Nov 3 20:31:21 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Nov 2 23:11:14 2009.

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Fresh Pond got 5531, 5534 and 5536 if I remember correctly.

What I DO remember was they were nice to ride on!

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by WayneJay on Tue Nov 3 23:45:00 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Nov 3 20:19:54 2009.

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Yup - I remember them at Coliseum. I recall COL's group being 9160-9184. I was about 12 years old, but I lived on Vyse Ave near Tremont, so I saw and rode them often on the Bx40. I always liked the regular 9000s, but those 8-cylinder buses were so cool. I recall 9160-9164 later being sent to West Farms. Do you know if they got rid of 9155-9164 early? I ask because at some point in the early 1980s (probaly '83 or so), they seem to vanish and I never saw them again.

I agree with you. I sorely miss the old days too. Buses were buses and not the crap we have nowadays.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Manwithaplan on Wed Nov 4 00:26:01 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by WayneJay on Tue Nov 3 23:45:00 2009.

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No WJ, alot of the 9000's from the Bronx were transfered to Manhattan
because of a bus shotage in that boro. Some went to 54th Street,
100th Street, and the Hudson Pier. I myself was sorry to see them
go, because I lived in the Bronx most of my life, and was a custom
to riding thses buses very often. The 310 9000's, along with the
267 Flxibles from 1973, and the 398 Flxibles from 1975 became the
backbone of the City of New York's surface fleet for several years
until newer equippment place all into retirement by 1993. It should
also be noted that 11 of the 9000's were sent to MSBA for their
service. Nos. 9031,9032,9045,9046,9047,9048,9050,9052,9053,and 9057.

MWAP

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Howard Fein on Wed Nov 4 08:35:06 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Nov 3 10:39:41 2009.

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Yes, I remember riding one in March '78 on the R4-turned-S59. It was quite strange to ride what looked like a routine new Flxible but with that kind of seating.

Some of these would turn up in early '82 in FLU.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by B53RICH on Wed Nov 4 18:05:35 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Howard Fein on Wed Nov 4 08:35:06 2009.

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"Some of these would turn up in early '82 in FLU."

I recall that too, I rode one or more on the Q27.


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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by WayneJay on Wed Nov 4 18:10:23 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by B53RICH on Wed Nov 4 18:05:35 2009.

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Yeah - I few of them went to 100 Street too. 9130 also went to KB briefly.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by B53RICH on Wed Nov 4 18:16:39 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Manwithaplan on Wed Nov 4 00:26:01 2009.

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In addition to the 10 that was listed, I also had seen 9054 and 9055 at MSBA/LI Bus. At that same time period, MSBA also had 7596 and 6149.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Nov 5 10:20:11 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Nov 3 10:39:41 2009.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Nabinut on Thu Nov 5 11:14:15 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Nov 5 10:20:11 2009.

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Awesome photos. 9169 looks gorgeous!!

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Transbuster104 on Fri Nov 6 15:58:24 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by WayneJay on Tue Nov 3 19:35:04 2009.

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And did'nt the 1977 Flxible New Look buses in the 9130 fleet series with the 2x2 forward seats replace the 1963 GMC 5303 model Fishbowl
NYCTA buses in the 3600 fleet series at the Castleton bus depot on
Staten Island?

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Nov 6 23:52:20 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Nabinut on Thu Nov 5 11:14:15 2009.

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Thanks. I tried to put up a video link of one of the Staten Islanders but see the wrong link.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by Pelham Exp on Sat Nov 7 08:23:12 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by B53RICH on Wed Nov 4 18:16:39 2009.

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I lived in an apartment overlooking Bronx State Hospital and yes you could hear those buses as the went over the bumps and curves through the hospital on the Bx14 ex Bx22.

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Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?

Posted by WayneJay on Sat Nov 7 19:45:54 2009, in response to Re: Were the '77 Flxs Overhauled At Some Point?, posted by Transbuster104 on Fri Nov 6 15:58:24 2009.

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They could have ousted some of the 5303s, but not too many as there were only 310 '77 Flxibles for NYCTA/MABSTOA.

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