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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 13:36:27 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:03:09 2009. Hank is correct. If you look at the various E-ZPass sites, you will see that certain discounts are limited to a specific agency's tag. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:37:51 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 12:58:19 2009. No, you don't call them an idiot. You do far worse. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:42:46 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:02:19 2009. My Amex Blue card has an RFID in it, and it does work through my wallet. But my point is, if I've got a 1:100 chance of dropping my card inadvertently using it the few times a day I do use it, increasing the number of times I need to use it will increase my drop chances. Of course, this assumes it needs to be removed from my wallet. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:47:03 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:09:37 2009. It works out only if you're able to pay the balance in full each monthObviously! You shouldn't be charging more than you can afford! and there's no fee associated with the card (or the benefits are of a higher value than the fees) Obviously! That's why none of my cards have any fees. I've got AMEX Rewards. Amex has a $150 annual fee, but I've cashed in points for hotel rooms and an iPod touch, so I've made more than the value of the fee back, even accounting for the number of years I've paid it. Ouch. First of all, AMEX has many cards that allow to to participate in the Membership Rewards program, so there's no need to choose a card that has a fee. I'm in Membership Rewards, and I use it with a card that has no fee. Second of all, using rewards programs to get goods instead of services is BAD NEWS. For example, in AMEX Membership Rewards, you can get a $50 Amtrak gift certificate for 5000 points. That's effectively a 1.00% reward. However, as part of the same program, you can get an Apple iPodŽ Touch - 8GB for 35,200 points. That iPod only costs $199 from Apple. So that's a 0.57% reward. You're getting about half the value for your points when you get goods instead of services. So if you play your cards right, there are no downsides - only upsides. So why wouldn't someone want to use a credit card for paying for their transit fare? |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 3 13:51:11 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 13:29:03 2009. What do you want from a 15 cent piece of plastic? How many people use their MetroCard 5 days a week for more than one month? The cost of loading money from your worn out card to a new card is FREE. Ideal? No. Doable? Absolutely. The reason why MetroCards get stuck is because of the box mechanism. I would not have the transfers coming out of the same slot as the MetroCard goes in, but I didn't design the boxes.When you use your debit card like I do, it gets worn down too. Please visit the all the subway stations and major bus transfer stops. There are piles of MetroCards. I dont even see a debit or credit cards pile in the garbage or liter on the street. Tell that to the MTA if you insist fixing the fareboxes on buses. Perhaps a higher quality MetroCard could fix that. Perhaps one can get a six pack of MetroCards linked to the same account so that as one wears down, another can be activated. We do not need to replace the MetroCard NOW for such trivial things. Higher quality MetroCard, yeah right. You mention 15 cent plastic, add another 10 or 20 wont make a difference. Would MTA pay that? It wont last long. I still think you need to move on now with the advantages of MetroCard except there are a lot more disadvantages to MetroCard. Accept the fact that MetroCards are dont last really long. Smartcards are the future. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:51:54 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 13:33:27 2009. I can confirm that it works with a PayPass credit card in the wallet.Thanks. Of course, half the time, at certain retailers, the PayPass reader won't read my card, and I have to then swipe. I would not dismiss Hank's point, though. Billing errors happen and can sometimes take weeks to fix. Once you call about the error, you do not pay that charge until it is resolved. In addition, I bet Hank has more than one credit/debit/ATM card. You don't want all of them charged for the express bus ride. That's easy to resolve. I don't carry around all my cards in my wallet. I leave most of them at home. So only carry around one RFID credit card. And if you have more than one that you absolutely need and your wallet is the absolutely best place for it then maybe there are so kind of foil slip cases you could put them into. Could also bury them so deep in your wallet, on the opposite side from the RFID card you'll be using, that they won't get read. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:52:26 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 13:36:27 2009. But Brian has a point as well. Back when all of these agencies used tokens, you got the discounted toll as long as you used the tokens. Now that they've phased out tokens, there is no way for someone to get the discount without having multiple EZPass accounts.When I was younger, my family used to go to the Poconos frequently, so we had roll of DRJTBA tokens. So even those weekend trips were discounted. But with EZPass, they may not be. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:52:59 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:35:48 2009. That's great. But it sure looks ignorant when you try to use the right capitalization or hyphenation and you screw it up. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:54:18 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:47:03 2009. I would use my card to pay my fare, if I didn't already get TransitChek form my employer. When the withholding on it was lower, I used to have to charge the difference. No, somehow, I've managed to make it too high. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:54:22 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 13:36:27 2009. No, AFAIK all general use E-ZPass discounts are available to all E-ZPass holders, no matter where their tag is from. Only TBTA has decided to do something unethical. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:55:23 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:37:51 2009. If you want to discuss that, feel free to email me. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:56:39 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:52:59 2009. Not nearly as ignorant as failing to capitalize. Or 'pwn3d'. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:56:47 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:42:46 2009. My Amex Blue card has an RFID in it, and it does work through my wallet. But my point is, if I've got a 1:100 chance of dropping my card inadvertently using it the few times a day I do use it, increasing the number of times I need to use it will increase my drop chances.1 in 100? I don't think people are that clumsy. I think it is so unlikely that it is a real non-issue. The whole point is to use the card! |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:59:05 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:56:47 2009. I made the number up to make my point. And ask a restaurant how many people inadvertently forget their card when they sign the slip for their meals. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:59:38 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:54:18 2009. Presumably our TransitChek QuikPay cards would become RFID enabled. Regardless, we're talking about people who CAN use their credit cards. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 14:00:51 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:56:39 2009. Much more ignorant. Failing to capitalize is a conscious decision. Nothing ignorant about it. And pwn3d is a well understood term on the internet. Nothing ignorant about it either. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 14:01:26 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:59:38 2009. But those cards wouldn't be tied to a rewards program. And somehow, I see the card issuers saying that hose small transactions wouldn't qualify for their existing programs. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 14:02:21 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:59:05 2009. I know you made it up! I then said "I think it is so unlikely that it is a real non-issue."I've never forgotten my card when signing the slip for my meal. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 14:05:40 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 14:01:26 2009. But those cards wouldn't be tied to a rewards program.Yes they are - the pre-tax benefits program. That's the reward. And somehow, I see the card issuers saying that hose small transactions wouldn't qualify for their existing programs. What other transactions don't count??? I made small transactions all the time! They all count. And MC/VISA/AMEX still collects transaction fees. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 14:06:30 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 14:01:26 2009. Heck, millions of fare transactions are made at MVMs/MEMs with credit and debit cards already! |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 14:09:20 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 14:00:51 2009. One person's opinion. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 14:11:02 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 14:02:21 2009. Me either; I've also never lost a card. I did recently go through the hassle of canceling a bunch of cards, and it was a pain for some of them. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 14:13:05 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 14:09:20 2009. Opinion backed by reality. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 14:13:31 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 14:11:02 2009. So then what's the problem?? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 14:19:39 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 14:05:40 2009. I didn't say it was that way now; you even quoted exactly what I said. They can always change the terms and conditions, and decide that certain types of transactions won't earn rewards. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 14:22:21 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 14:19:39 2009. Of course they could. They could do anything. But I don't see why that would be likely, so I don't see why this "what if" should enter the discussion. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 14:23:56 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 14:13:05 2009. Same can be said for you. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 14:24:22 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 14:22:21 2009. This whole discussion is about what-if! |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 14:28:56 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 3 13:51:11 2009. "Please visit the all the subway stations and major bus transfer stops. There are piles of MetroCards. I dont even see a debit or credit cards pile in the garbage or liter on the street."People tend not to throw away things with personally identifiable information on the street intentionally. That would include credit and debit cards. With regards to the fareboxes, they are still having trouble making all their runs in Staten Island. The drivers allege that they aren't being given enough running time. The dollar match (20%) required for a new farecard system could be given to them so they have enough time to make their runs. "Higher quality MetroCard, yeah right. You mention 15 cent plastic, add another 10 or 20 wont make a difference. Would MTA pay that? It wont last long." If more people bring it up, it could happen. As much as I enjoy abusing the MTA for being inept, this issue is not exactly of the "blatantly obvious" variety. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 14:34:02 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:54:22 2009. You are incorrect. I own a NJTA tag. There are two plans available to me that are not available to other tagholders. On the MTA tags, you can get Port Authority, MTA, and Thruway plans, but not NJTA or DRPA plans. Since I have owned both NY and NJ tags, I know the difference between the two. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 3 14:46:31 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:37:51 2009. Lets add more to that........."i don't make threatening statements on these there internets. you must be misinterpreting." from Fri Aug 28 00:55:12 2009 - Brian Whineberg, aka "Terrapin Station" The famous New Year's Day, very hateful of you, Terrapin Does he has special powers? "my religion teaches to shun dumbasses like you. seriously, why do you continue to act so stupid after you've been repeatedly told that you are wrong? " the word "retard" use many times including this There is more Terrapin Station meltdowns so please post it here..... |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 3 14:48:53 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 12:58:19 2009. Ah....Please click here and yes you are dumbass |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 3 14:52:49 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system (lets look back at TS past), posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 3 14:46:31 2009. Using B*TCH nine timesThere is more Terrapin Station meltdowns so please post it here..... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 15:00:51 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 14:23:56 2009. Nope, as I showed. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 15:01:30 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 14:24:22 2009. Plausible what-ifs based on industry trends and announced plans and common sense. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 15:02:36 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 14:34:02 2009. Nope, I'm not incorrect. Those are commuter plans, not general discounts for having an E-ZPass tag. We are talking about the latter, not the former. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 3 15:13:17 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 15:00:51 2009. You great on lying. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 3 15:16:32 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Nov 2 08:48:08 2009. Perfect project to hand over to college students taking a transportation planning class or something similar. They could work in conjunction with the computer programming students. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 3 15:19:13 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 1 22:43:36 2009. Read post #171562. Since you are wrong, dumbass. |
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Posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Nov 3 15:26:50 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 3 15:19:13 2009. Can you guys talk about something other that the happy horse shitabout NJT'S fare collection system? Who the hell cares about some fare collecting? Half the people who ride the bus would rather go in bus thru the back door! Let's get on to more pratical matters. MWAP |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 3 15:46:50 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Nov 3 15:26:50 2009. ok, you could simply ignore it. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 3 15:52:29 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 14:28:56 2009. As much as I enjoy abusing the MTA for being ineptSpeaking of which, When is your route 144 be back on schedule? s89 happens to be doing much well. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 17:49:52 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 3 15:52:29 2009. The 144 will return when I can use just my equipment on it. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Tue Nov 3 23:24:50 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by GOLD_12th on Tue Nov 3 11:36:21 2009. It is a pain in the ass to maintain the farebox on buses if the MetroCard got stuck, it means free ridesFor passengers, this IS a good thing |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 23:32:10 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Tue Nov 3 23:24:50 2009. No it's not. It means lost revenue for NJT, which is bad for passengers as they'll lose some service or amenity. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 4 03:38:01 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Nov 2 23:04:28 2009. We wantses the precious! |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Wed Nov 4 04:35:22 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 23:32:10 2009. Remember, with the new NJT system, you "tap" not "swipe" the credit card with the embedded chip. How can this foul up the register? There are no moving parts. |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Wed Nov 4 04:55:11 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 05:59:52 2009. How many miles is that? I think NJT's RiverLINE has that beat....for a one zone ride !! That's 34 miles for $ 1.35 ...... And even less if you buy a monthly pass. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Nov 4 07:15:37 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Wed Nov 4 04:55:11 2009. Around 45-50 miles. The A train to the 2 train and then the Bee-Line 41 express gets you up to Grasslands. The RiverLINE does its miles much faster, though. This is a 3 hour ride. |
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Posted by Deaks on Wed Nov 4 07:33:18 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system (lets look back at TS past), posted by Gold_12th on Tue Nov 3 14:46:31 2009. Oh yes. He's ignoring that post, can you believe it? |
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