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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Nov 2 21:28:11 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Nov 2 16:00:22 2009. I think you are making it out to be simpler than it really is, though. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Nov 2 21:30:16 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by ctrabs74 on Mon Nov 2 21:24:33 2009. I'm honestly not sure. I know when I got mine, I was encouraged to get the Delaware River Joint Toll Bridge Commission (?) because the Pennsy Turnpike Commission charged a monthly fee for theirs, whereas I would get a discount if I cross the Delaware River into Jersey (I believe).That since changed, but I think there are difference rules, depending on the agency. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 2 21:41:40 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Nov 2 17:36:30 2009. NY State EZPass gives me running total that is usually no more than 48 hours behind realtime. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 2 21:47:22 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by ctrabs74 on Mon Nov 2 21:24:33 2009. IINM, isn't the discounted fare policy the same with all participating E-ZPass agencies (or at least those that offer them)?No, as I just said. That kinda defeats any benefits for someone who commutes from New Jersey to Long Island and may have an E-ZPass transponder issued by the Port Authority or NJ Turnpike Authority who has to use an MTA Bridge or Tunnel. It's pretty unethical. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 2 21:48:33 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 2 21:25:26 2009. ??? how is that any different from taking out a metrocard or a transit smartcard?????? unbelievable. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 2 21:50:02 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Nov 2 21:28:11 2009. of course he is. he's clueless. he's only interested in flaming, and not in having informative and productive discussions. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 2 21:50:42 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 2 21:41:40 2009. It's spelled E-ZPass. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Nov 2 21:54:41 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 2 21:48:33 2009. Maybe it's more of the fact that the Credit/Debit card is linked to the bank account, credit account, etc...holding more importance than what's on a Metrocard.Would rather lose the value on a Metrocard than hundreds/thousands/more out of a bank account! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 2 21:56:01 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Nov 2 21:54:41 2009. credit cards have zero liability these days. and so do some debit/check cards IINM. so what's the problem? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 2 22:29:22 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 2 21:48:33 2009. If I drop or lose my metrocard or smartcard, I'm only out the value of the card. If I drop my credit card, I'm out a credit card, possibility of ID theft, the hassle of replacing the card, and I really don't like the idea of my card company being on the hook for fraud. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 2 22:31:27 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 2 21:56:01 2009. Have you ever had to replace a lost/stolen card? With a credit card, it's pretty easy, but debit cards linked to your bank account, your account may be empty before you notice that your card is gone. And banks don't like to fix those kind of problems in a timely manner. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 2 22:32:31 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 2 21:50:42 2009. Not really important to the conversation. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Nov 2 23:02:51 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 2 21:50:02 2009. lol at your dumbass post.You are clueless in this discussion. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Nov 2 23:04:28 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Nov 2 21:28:11 2009. Of course we want it simpler and faster, we dont need to carry multiple fare medias. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Nov 2 23:13:17 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by JAzumah on Mon Nov 2 18:09:52 2009. Simple. I don't think it should be their top priority right now. I understand why NJT needs to move now, but agencies with electronic fare collection right now need to hold off on buying anything major except buses and railcars. This isn't the right time. As it stands, the MTA is in very big trouble financially. It does not need to manage new big projects. It needs to take federal funds for NYCT and replace every pre-1996 bus it has...NOW.I disagree, MTA has already made lots of case studies on the smartcard and they need to get their act together it is taking way too long. They need to move now. MetroCards is way obsolete at its prime back in the 90s. I hope the best for NJ Transit for their transition to smartcard system. |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Mon Nov 2 23:24:20 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 2 14:59:10 2009. South Jersey has the same unique situation with NJT, PATCO and SEPTA. |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Mon Nov 2 23:26:16 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Nov 2 13:28:25 2009. Must we resort to name calling? Can't we have a conversation without calling people idiots just because we disagree? Are you adults? |
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Posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Mon Nov 2 23:30:56 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Nov 2 08:48:08 2009. NJT will not be processing the transactions. A firm in Upstate New York will handle it for NJT and PATH. Later, NYCTA, SEPTA and PATCO will be included. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 05:59:52 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 2 21:23:40 2009. Understood, but it protects the MTA's cash flow. As it is, the NYC transit system is underpriced as is. $2.25 can take you from Far Rockaway to Valhalla. This is unprecedented in transit history short of Megabus. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 06:04:15 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Nov 2 17:36:30 2009. Depends on a number of things. Some EZPass folks report faster than others. The PA is almost instantaneous. The others, not so much. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 06:15:22 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Nov 2 23:13:17 2009. The MTA has already shown that having too many irons in the fire at once causes some to get burned. Virtually all of the MTA's big projects are behind and it is blowing up the budget. The MetroCard has the ability to do zone pricing as well as peak/off-peak pricing. Frankly, if the LIRR & Metro-North got "validators", the MetroCard could replace those paper systems too.It may not be 2009, but to label the MetroCard as caveman technology is wholly inaccurate. The system works pretty well. It would work better if the turnstiles at certain stations got cleaned more, but that isn't a fault of the technology per se. The MTA would be better off pushing the EasyPay MetroCard, reducing their cash handling costs in the process. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 06:39:28 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 2 22:29:22 2009. Your fears are irrational. If you're not responsible enough to handle a credit card on a daily basis, then I don't see the need for you to participate in this discussion.I, and hundreds of thousands of other people in this city, use credit cards many times a day, and I would welcome the chance to use them even more often. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 06:40:35 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 2 22:31:27 2009. So...don't use debit cards. I don't use them for that exact reason. But I love my credit cards! Collect all 9! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 06:41:04 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 2 22:32:31 2009. But it is spelled E-ZPass, whether you like it or not. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 06:42:44 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Mon Nov 2 23:26:16 2009. Must we resort to name calling? Can't we have a conversation without calling people idiots just because we disagree? Are you adults?With Gold_12th, the answers are YES, NO, and NO. He does this every time. He must be like 12 or something. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 06:44:23 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 06:04:15 2009. Close, but the correct spelling is E-ZPass. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Nov 3 07:49:33 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 06:04:15 2009. I missed the spelling,too.PA. E-ZPass site is very unfriendly. type in you password wrong two times ,and they lock you account. You have to call them. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 08:10:34 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Nov 3 07:49:33 2009. That spelling mistake is a common one, which is why I'm trying to correct the ignorance. |
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Posted by Deaks on Tue Nov 3 08:24:17 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 06:44:23 2009. Yes, that's really important. Still, you are the kind of person who likes pointing out spelling mistakes on the internet.....! |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Nov 3 10:05:39 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 06:40:35 2009. 9?! Zoinks! lol |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Tue Nov 3 11:15:25 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 06:41:04 2009. Not important, dimwit. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 11:29:41 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Mon Nov 2 23:24:20 2009. I left out PATCO, but that was my point. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 11:31:13 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 06:42:44 2009. We have met the enemy, and he is us. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Tue Nov 3 11:36:21 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 06:15:22 2009. Once again MetroCards are crap. Swipe it, dip it, shove it, insert it; for god shakes it's old fashion. You have to replace it when it is damage and in one year when its expired and less. It is a pain in the ass to maintain the farebox on buses if the MetroCard got stuck, it means free rides. It is also sucks when you lose the MetroCard easily because you frequently take the MetroCard out of your wallet many times.The smartcard solve all those problems. You dont need to swipe it, dip it, shove it, insert it. You cant lose it if you put in the wallet and pay the fare by holding the wallet to the reader. It is less hassle when its maintainable on the computer. It may not be 2009, but to label the MetroCard as caveman technology is wholly inaccurate. The system works pretty well. It would work better if the turnstiles at certain stations got cleaned more, but that isn't a fault of the technology per se. The MTA would be better off pushing the EasyPay MetroCard, reducing their cash handling costs in the process. MTA is lazy yet they are money waster. The EasyPay MetroCard also suffer durable issues and the lag time to replace it. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Tue Nov 3 11:42:26 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 06:39:28 2009. I DARE you to drop your wallet on a street. See if you worried about your identity will be ruined. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 11:43:22 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 06:39:28 2009. It's not 'irrational' to be concerned with losing a credit/debit card, and the consequences and dealing with those consequences, can be burdensome. And losing a card linked to your bank account is even worse; while you wait for the bank to verify that you're not scamming them, there is the potential of further loss if checks and electronic payments start bouncing.And I'm sure that if such a scheme were to come before the public, many other people would express the same opinion, along with the nutty 'big brother's gonna track me' types. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 11:44:48 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Nov 3 10:05:39 2009. Nine is pretty average. It's the balances you carry...Currently, I'm on a personal spending freeze. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Tue Nov 3 11:46:41 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by TRANSIT JEFF on Mon Nov 2 23:26:16 2009. Name calling, Bullshit. You should have look at Terrapin Station record. Here is the lastest example of stupid post by Terrapin Station.Click here |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 11:48:36 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 2 20:10:45 2009. I would say that a discount only applies with the 'home' agency. All others pay full fare. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Tue Nov 3 11:51:09 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 06:42:44 2009.  |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 11:55:10 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 06:41:04 2009. And it's called capitalization, whether you like it or not.cool. so no word of an actual njt RFID smartcard yet like PATH and PATCO, etc? false. look at what i quoted. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 12:49:37 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Nov 3 10:05:39 2009. Dunno offhand how many I have, but 9 is probably about right. There are so many specialty cards that get you perks for only certain things, like the L.L.Bean VISA for free shipping, and the Amazon.com VISA for accumulating points for Amazon coupons, etc. If they're offering it and I can only benefit from it, then why not? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 12:52:13 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 11:55:10 2009. I'm perfectly aware that I don't always capitalize, and I'm ok with it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 12:58:19 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 11:31:13 2009. Huh??? He actually is an idiot for posting that. It had nothing to do with disagreeing. Idiots lack mental capacity to make intelligent posts, and immediately resort to name calling ("dumbass"). If I disagree with someone in the midst of a respectful, civil, informative, and productive discussion, I would certainly not call them an idiot. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:02:19 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 11:43:22 2009. It's not 'irrational' to be concerned with losing a credit/debit cardYes it is. People who have credit cards use them all the time. The whole point of having one is so you can use it. It doesn't do you any good just sitting in your wallet. Oh, and I almost forgot, you don't even need to take it out of your wallet*!!!!! *I have not tested this with PayPass, but I have tested it with Transit SmartCards such as PATCO's Freedom card. However if it doesn't also work with RFID credit cards in transit fare applications, then that would be asinine. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:03:09 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 11:48:36 2009. I wouldn't. And I doubt many people would disagree with me. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:09:37 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 12:49:37 2009. It works out only if you're able to pay the balance in full each month, and there's no fee associated with the card (or the benefits are of a higher value than the fees).I've got AMEX Rewards. Amex has a $150 annual fee, but I've cashed in points for hotel rooms and an iPod touch, so I've made more than the value of the fee back, even accounting for the number of years I've paid it. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 13:29:03 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by GOLD_12th on Tue Nov 3 11:36:21 2009. "You have to replace it when it is damage and in one year when its expired and less."What do you want from a 15 cent piece of plastic? How many people use their MetroCard 5 days a week for more than one month? The cost of loading money from your worn out card to a new card is FREE. Ideal? No. Doable? Absolutely. The reason why MetroCards get stuck is because of the box mechanism. I would not have the transfers coming out of the same slot as the MetroCard goes in, but I didn't design the boxes. When you use your debit card like I do, it gets worn down too. "The EasyPay MetroCard also suffer durable issues and the lag time to replace it." Perhaps a higher quality MetroCard could fix that. Perhaps one can get a six pack of MetroCards linked to the same account so that as one wears down, another can be activated. We do not need to replace the MetroCard NOW for such trivial things. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Nov 3 13:33:27 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 13:02:19 2009. I can confirm that it works with a PayPass credit card in the wallet.I would not dismiss Hank's point, though. Billing errors happen and can sometimes take weeks to fix. In addition, I bet Hank has more than one credit/debit/ATM card. You don't want all of them charged for the express bus ride. The bank isn't going to refund that transaction easily since the point of sale is on the bus itself. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 3 13:35:48 2009, in response to Re: NJT's New fare collection system {UPDATE}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 3 12:52:13 2009. Guess what? I'm ok with ezpass, EZPass, E-ZPass, EZ-Pass, etc. |
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