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OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50! |
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Posted by QM18Express on Wed Nov 19 10:41:20 2008 And also Access A Ride users would also get a huge increase as their fares will go up from $2 to about $5 or $6 as the MTA is going to charge the max amount that is allow by the ADA law.http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/89182/new-mta-budget-hikes-fares-still-higher/Default.aspx |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Nov 19 11:22:56 2008, in response to OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by QM18Express on Wed Nov 19 10:41:20 2008. Other things that the MTA should do also are go to OPTO full-time on the L (and station nurses at key stations in the system in association with the HHC). Then install cameras so that all NTTs can go OPTO.And for the 42 Street Shuttle, I wonder if the MTA should go to OPTO with only one person off-peak and weekends. But for Able-Ride in Nassau, is the MTA going to go to a strict 3/4 mile zone? If so, areas in the far northeast of Nassau County (i.e., Muttontown, Oyster Bay, Bayville) would lose paratransit service. In NYC, there would be very few areas outside the 3/4 mile zone that aren't on privately owned (and taxed) roadways. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 19 12:36:41 2008, in response to OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by QM18Express on Wed Nov 19 10:41:20 2008. I don't see $7.50; $6 maybe, but $5.50 is much more likely. Remember, they like to show how bad it COULD be, not how bad it really is. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 12:50:28 2008, in response to OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by QM18Express on Wed Nov 19 10:41:20 2008. So, when are we gonna see those farebox taking paper money? No one will carry $7.50 in quarters, dime, nickel, and even pennies to put on the farebox just for one ride. Im not going to carry $15.00 in change to put on the farebox. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 19 12:54:04 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 12:50:28 2008. I am willing to bet that 99% of x-bus fares are paid with Metrocard. It's rare that I see someone put any coins in the farebox at all. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed Nov 19 12:58:41 2008, in response to OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by QM18Express on Wed Nov 19 10:41:20 2008. What the hell do they expect from people when people simply don't have it to give? Talk about beating you while you're down. |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 13:00:53 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 19 12:54:04 2008. Yes for NYCT, no for MTABus. I see only 65% or so pay w/ MetroCard on my bus. As for Bills accepted the MTA would have to invest in new fareboxes on express buses. When we accepted bills a breif time after the takeover the MTA said it cost $1.25 per every $1 bill collected to ensure that it wasn't stolen & to count. The MTA doesn't physcally count coins they are sorted and weighed for the dollar amount. Bills ave to be sorted and counted. I don't see the MTA going through the trouble of investing in new farebox technology and changing it's proceedures anytime soon. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 19 13:13:10 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 12:50:28 2008. You should be using Metrocard. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 19 13:13:46 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed Nov 19 12:58:41 2008. Huh? This makes perfect sense. It costs much more to provide the ride, so people should pay more. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 19 13:15:15 2008, in response to OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by QM18Express on Wed Nov 19 10:41:20 2008. That's better in terms of reducing the absurdly high subsidy per ride. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 13:20:42 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 19 13:13:10 2008. There still some people that are not using MetroCard for what ever the reason.Ive seen some BO's on the express routes let the passenger go by pass the farebox while counting quarters, dimes, nickels to put on the fare at the exact amount. $5.00 (right now). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 19 13:25:31 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 13:20:42 2008. There still some people that are not using MetroCard for what ever the reason.Well they will be now*, if they don't want to carry around all that change. *if the fare increases |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 13:26:28 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 19 12:54:04 2008. Its more like 85% MetroCard fares and 15% coin change. Yes it is rare to see people put coins on the farebox for express bus but people will still do to this day. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 13:31:17 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 19 13:25:31 2008. This why MTA may have or going to put a new farebox that is accepted one and five dollar bills in the express buses to discourage people who are short changing the MTA paying the full fare. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Nov 19 13:31:43 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 13:00:53 2008. What kind of fareboxes did the private bus companies have prior to the NYCMTA takeover ? |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 13:37:39 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Nov 19 13:31:43 2008. Cubic Metrocard box coins & MC only. We at LLE and NYBS had two boxes. The Cubic and a seperate bill conveyer box whic actually didnt count the bill it was upon visual inspection that thje fare was tallied on the Cubic by a key sroke. We were not as sophisticated w/ the GFI Odessey. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Nov 19 13:45:17 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 12:50:28 2008. No one will carry $7.50 in quarters, dime, nickel, and even pennies to put on the farebox just for one ride.Then I guess it's time to get on the local bus and subway like the "regular" people! :-) |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Nov 19 13:50:32 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 13:20:42 2008. There still some people that are not using MetroCard for what ever the reason.Just like there are people who refuse to get EZ Pass and still enjoy sitting in traffic to pay the tolls while the EZ Pass customers zip by at 55 mph at several locations. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Nov 19 13:51:40 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 13:37:39 2008. Wow intresting they had two seperate boxes. The older GFI GenFares were pretty much the same way. I like those because they took anything u put in the box. You'd have to inspect the bills, since the box only registered $1 bills.The GFI Odyssey has its ups and downs. I particularly like the fact the Odysseys, well at least where Im at, counts $ 1,2,5,and 10 demoninations. If its a bad bill ( torn, counterfeit ), it will spit it back out. As far as the coins you pretty much have to insert one at a time. In the unlikely event a passenger throws all his coins in at one time, we're provided with a coin unjammer, which is about the size of a slotted/flathead screwdriver We at LLE and NYBS had two boxes. The Cubic and a seperate bill conveyer box whic actually didnt count the bill it was upon visual inspection that thje fare was tallied on the Cubic by a key sroke.We were not as sophisticated w/ the GFI Odessey. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 19 13:51:44 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 13:31:17 2008. Why? Why not discourage them by not letting them on the bus? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 19 14:04:34 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 13:37:39 2008. You mean like the fareboxes on the Norwalk WHEELS Coastal Link where you have to put in fare in a jar? |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Nov 19 14:04:36 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 19 13:51:44 2008. I see it as convenience to offer something like the odyssey. Some people may not be able to get to a MetroCard Outlet, vendor, TVM for whatever ... not to mention getting change for a dollar is a hassle itself.if a passenger is short fare one time for whatever reason, just quote the proper fare for next time and move on. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 19 14:14:48 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Nov 19 14:04:36 2008. Just don't make it a habit. But getting all new fare machines is an expense and a hassle and they're trying to save money. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 14:15:44 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 19 13:51:44 2008. MTA is losing money and there is many factors to this.For example and (this is widespread problem including local buses): The person dips the MetroCard in and the reader says no money on the MetroCard, but the person have $5 bill on hand except no coins and explain to the B/O for the reason. Yet B/O let the person ride for free. $5.00 to pay the If and it is a big If, the MTA is going to raise the express fare, they will have to put paper money farebox next to the coin/ MC farebox for the convenience of the passenger who dont have a MetroCard, coins. but the passenger has green paper money surely they want to put inside the farebox somehow. MTA likes green paper money and they sure can use some. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 14:20:54 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 19 14:14:48 2008. Yet to this day, MTA has not been keeping up with putting replacements on the farebox. Yeah, trying to save money with a broken fare box for passengers to ride a free bus. |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 14:29:37 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Nov 19 13:51:40 2008. Yeah I used the GFI GenFares at Bee-Line. The MTA uses a box that was designed to work w/ Cubic software and Keene Vaulting. They could have went to a system such as yours, but that was too smart. The bill conveyer didn't count anything at all it just pulled the bills in and we inspected through a window it was seperate from the actual farebox the we push a key on the Cubic unit which tallies full fare. Funny right. |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 14:36:18 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 14:15:44 2008. Yes but it won't fit on the MCI, NYBS had to remove the first front seats to accomidate a bill conveyer on their MCI's. The MTA doesn't want to count money as they feel there is an issue w/ theft and cost. The MTA getting in their own way again. |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 14:38:04 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 19 14:04:34 2008. Not quite, but same principal. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Nov 19 14:39:07 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 14:36:18 2008. The MTA doesn't want to have to swap a bus out to dump bills. You won't hear me say it much about the MTA, but this makes sense. |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 14:42:08 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by JAzumah on Wed Nov 19 14:39:07 2008. Yes and No, the fare demands that bills be accepted or better access to fare media. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 19 14:44:12 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 14:20:54 2008. This happens maybe once a month to me. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 19 14:46:28 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 19 12:36:41 2008. There's always SOME degree of scare tactics involved in these things. This time, I suspect the scare tactics are a bit closer, though probably not all the way, to reality.I'll predict an express bus fare of $6-$7, inclusive. I don't see a 50 cent increase as menaingful in the present environment, while anything over $7 is ridiculous, this year. In a year or two, who knows... |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Nov 19 14:47:47 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 14:15:44 2008. I have the answer!The United States should eliminate all bills lower than $5, just like Canada, and only have $1 and $2 coins. This way, an express bus rider would only need three $2 coins, one $1 coin, and two quarters to ride! :-) |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 19 14:51:05 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 14:42:08 2008. There are literally THOUSANDS of places around the city that sell Metrocards. In addition to that, express buses run into Manhattan, where you can get them EVERYWHERE. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 19 14:55:34 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Nov 19 13:45:17 2008. As soon as the subway gets near my home, I will gladly take it to work. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Wed Nov 19 14:55:35 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by JAzumah on Wed Nov 19 14:39:07 2008. with the Odyssey no need to swap out a bus to dump the box. In case of the NYCMTA they could've gotten the 36" version of the Odysseys, similar to what Santa Clarita, AVTA,etc have on their MCI commuter coaches. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Nov 19 14:59:29 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 19 14:55:34 2008. Now that is funny... |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Nov 19 15:00:09 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 19 14:55:34 2008. I assume you and many others chose to live in a place where there is no subway, so I guess you and the others have to suffer the consequences. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 19 15:05:50 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 19 14:51:05 2008. I've talked to people about this. I've encountered people who've never thought to duck into a subway station to buy a Metro Card.These folks only think of buying them at delis on Staten Island. BTW, finding an agent on SI isn't that hard either- there's really no good excuse not to have one. |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 15:09:57 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 19 14:51:05 2008. Tell me where on S. Broadway in Yonkers can you get a MetroCard at 5:30 Am or on Riverdale Avenue in The Bronx. Being Pay-per-ride card no just unlimiteds that are commonly carried. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 19 15:10:12 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 14:38:04 2008. Wow thanks for the info, I didn't think that anyone here would actually be familiar with WHEELS. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Nov 19 15:23:41 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 15:09:57 2008. I think that it's safe to say that most regular riders would have purchased their MetroCard the previous work day while in Manhattan, instead of letting it run out and having no value first thing in the morning. And as far as first time riders, I guess they can deal with carrying $7.50 in change for one lousy day. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 19 15:23:59 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 15:09:57 2008. I supose you may be right here- I haven't lived in Yonkers since ear;y 1999. As I'm sure you know, in those days, the only service "North of the Border" that took Metro cards was the BxM3.But I'd bet a lot of folks around there go into the Bronx- it's so close, after all. It's still not impossible to get a Metro Card, I'm sure. |
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Posted by Dan on Wed Nov 19 15:26:18 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 19 15:05:50 2008. A lot of the smaller delis on S.I. have stopped selling metrocards. The new odd-priced ones are a pain for the merchants. Thriftway drug stores sell them, Stop-N-Shop doesn't and I don't know if Pathmark or King Kullen sell them.Anyway, daily x-bus riders should sign up (or download a paper application form) for the "EasyPayXpress MetroCard" here: EasyPayXpress MetroCard Application and not have to bother with buying and replenishing metrocards locally. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Nov 19 15:32:26 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Nov 19 15:23:41 2008. And at least you don't get penalized for paying cash in NYC, unlike certain other places on earth... |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 16:05:00 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Nov 19 15:23:41 2008. They do forget and the MTA says tell them "fare please", if they don't pay "let'em ride, you job is to request the fare NOT enforce it." That is the MTA policy. As far as first time riders how do intend for them to come back in order to bolster ridership if it become inconvenient to ride, thus ridership stay only w/ regulars who aslo balk at $7.50 in change, then they don't ride so it's the circle of life Simba. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 19 16:09:06 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Nov 19 15:00:09 2008. I chose to live where there are trees, grass, and affordable multi-bedroom homes. There are few places in the city with subway access like that. |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Nov 19 16:10:04 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 19 15:23:59 2008. Yes I am a B/O out of Yonkers, I see it all the time, The issue lies w/ point of sale locations that only sell Unlimiteds and don't offer the Express Bus Plus weekly card, all over the place not just on the BxM3. Not impossible, but difficult when your catching my bus that leaves at 6:30 AM from Getty Square. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Wed Nov 19 16:14:55 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Nov 19 14:47:47 2008. I would be happy if the US Government have mass produce $5 and $10 coins and also create $500 and $1,000 bill like some other countries have.Oh well. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Nov 19 16:15:07 2008, in response to Re: OH NOES! The express bus fare to go up to $7.50!, posted by Dan on Wed Nov 19 15:26:18 2008. That option isn't compatible with TransitChek. And because of the odd bonus amounts, I usually wind up with $1, $2, or $4 left on a card, and since the machines don't let you combine card values, I have to go to a booth, and the booth agents seem perturbed to do this. |
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