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Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 20:05:39 2008 All pictures are my own.193  1700 (This bus has 41 seats in it.)    An interesting sidenote: You will notice decelerator lights on the 1700. Yet the MTA has removed them from the O5s. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Mon Nov 17 20:15:09 2008, in response to Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 20:05:39 2008. maybe it was ordered like that before they decided to have them removed. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 17 20:43:57 2008, in response to Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 20:05:39 2008. An interesting sidenote: You will notice decelerator lights on the 1700. Yet the MTA has removed them from the O5s.This is an actual production unit, not a demonstrator? |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Nov 17 21:08:49 2008, in response to Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 20:05:39 2008. Nice catches!! So how did you find these two buses? by pure luck or a source? |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 21:08:50 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 17 20:43:57 2008. Looking at it, it does NOT look like a demonstrator. It is already entirely in Long Island Bus specifications. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 21:13:20 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Nov 17 21:08:49 2008. Both were found by luck. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 17 21:28:54 2008, in response to Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 20:05:39 2008. I think those decelerator lights are illegal (or at least they are if the bus is just coasting). |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 21:30:16 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 17 21:28:54 2008. I'm not sure if they are in New York State. The NYCDOT had ordered buses in 1993 and again in 1999 with them (and the MTA had ordered buses since at least 1989 with them).However, the MTA has mostly either removed or disabled the lights. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Nov 17 21:42:43 2008, in response to Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 20:05:39 2008. 1700 has a Horizon? |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 21:49:15 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Nov 17 21:42:43 2008. Yup...I was surprised too. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by Houston METRO Fan on Mon Nov 17 21:50:03 2008, in response to Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 20:05:39 2008. Excellent pics of 1700! |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 17 22:31:21 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 21:30:16 2008. They are most definately illegal in NYS. TCAT ordered buses with them as late as 2002 but had to reconfigure them to change when the lights came on to comply with the new law. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 22:32:31 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 17 22:31:21 2008. However, the question then remains if the MTA is subject to the same laws TCAT is. (IINM, TCAT buses have BUS plates, whereas MTA buses have OFFICIAL plates...and there is a BIG legal difference.) |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by JAzumah on Mon Nov 17 23:09:33 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 22:32:31 2008. The question is who made them illegal. If it is NYSDOT, then the MTA could ignore them. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by TheHat on Mon Nov 17 23:18:37 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 22:32:31 2008. The MTA doesn't like decel lamps, period. IIRC the decel lamp law only req. that they don't blink, but stay steady when slowing or stopping in conjunction w/ the retarder, opposed to using brake lamps when slowing or stopping w/ the retarder. No retarder no deceleration lamps unless the brake is applied (definition for retarder as for this purpose trans. or engine retarder/jake brake) As for official veh. refer to the pre MTA LIB consolidation into the MTA DOB. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Mon Nov 17 23:36:25 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 17 22:31:21 2008. I'm pretty sure Centro is still using these lights on their 1999 Orion V's - I'll have to check next time I see one. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Nov 17 23:44:52 2008, in response to Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 20:05:39 2008. Excellent pics of both buses. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 18 00:04:16 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by TheHat on Mon Nov 17 23:18:37 2008. Yes, thank you. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 18 00:04:55 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 22:32:31 2008. Can't tell what type of plates the TCAT buses have from my photos, but they all end in BA. Does that help you at all? |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Nov 18 00:10:03 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 18 00:04:55 2008. Those are bus plates, offical plates start w/ a letter and 5 numbers in NY. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 18 02:30:47 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Nov 17 21:42:43 2008. I guess since the majority, if not all, of LIB's destination readings are large, single words anyway, the Titans aren't necessary for legibility reasons, assuming of course that the Horizons are cheaper. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 18 02:31:15 2008, in response to Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 20:05:39 2008. Does 1700 have the automated announcements and display? |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by R32 B Train on Tue Nov 18 02:47:18 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 18 02:30:47 2008. But if LIB merges with the MTA, would the readings change?i.e: N4 JAMAICA N4 PARSONS BLVD SUBWAY N4 VIA MERRICK |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 18 05:58:01 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 18 00:04:55 2008. Those are BUS plates. Buses under one of the MTA Regional Bus brands (NYC Bus, LI Bus, or Bus) all have OFFICIAL plates (K/L/M and 5 numbers).If a bus is government-owned, but privately branded, it is up to the operator or government to decide how to register the vehicle (NOTE: Some former Green Bus Lines O5s never had their plates changed upon takeover.) |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 18 05:58:19 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 18 02:31:15 2008. Not sure. I didn't ride it. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Nov 18 09:01:34 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 18 05:58:01 2008. we at LLE had offical plates just before the takeover, IIRC NYBS has officals on the DOT purchased buses and bus plates on the fishbowl, 3 GM classics and MCI crusiers. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 18 09:22:26 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by TheHat on Tue Nov 18 09:01:34 2008. However, what I am saying is that on the former Green Lines O5s, many of the plates were never changed when the MTA took over, and the previous tags have been left on to this day. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Nov 18 09:52:44 2008, in response to Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 20:05:39 2008. I love how it's plastered with NYCT stickers. Nice. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 18 09:54:30 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Nov 18 09:52:44 2008. That was the first thing I noticed: Quality Control Bus, especially when the RVC sticker is an oval. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Nov 18 10:02:04 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 18 09:22:26 2008. Oh, I know I was just sighting another example of public bus, private branding. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by QM18Express on Tue Nov 18 14:29:25 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 18 09:22:26 2008. Does any of the ENY O7 Hybrids still got BUS plates or it got changed? |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by Metro Man on Tue Nov 18 16:06:11 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 17 22:31:21 2008. 1700 bus will be the only bus with the d cell lights all others will come in with the one red light.1700 is at the Rvc Depot this week. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Nov 18 17:23:09 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by QM18Express on Tue Nov 18 14:29:25 2008. They all got changed to OFFICIAL plates during summer 2007. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Tue Nov 18 20:54:45 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by TheHat on Tue Nov 18 09:01:34 2008. we at LLE had offical plates just before the takeover, IIRC NYBS has officals on the DOT purchased buses and bus plates on the fishbowl, 3 GM classics and MCI crusiers.I was always curious about that. I recall that thr NYBS road truck also had official plates. |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Nov 18 22:44:16 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by WayneJay on Tue Nov 18 20:54:45 2008. IIRC yes, they were DOT purchased all the privates had the same service trucks, just different branding. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by FutureKBArticOP on Thu Nov 20 04:46:16 2008, in response to Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Nov 17 20:05:39 2008. I bet that bus handled the crowds of the N4 poorly. |
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Re: Decelerator lights (Was: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics)) |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Fri Nov 21 09:50:33 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by RailBus63 on Mon Nov 17 23:36:25 2008. As follow-up - I spotted a CNY Centro Orion V last night with the decelerator lights still in use. The 2005 New Flyers and newer buses do not have these lights and have two high-mounted stop lights in their place. |
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Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Nov 21 12:31:12 2008, in response to Re: Long Island Bus 193 and 1700 (4 pics), posted by FutureKBArticOP on Thu Nov 20 04:46:16 2008. I doubt it. The 288-462 batch of O5s have 44 seats. 1700 has 41 seats in it. If anything, it would be the CNG tanks that would limit the standee capacity to about 12 or so. |
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