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Posted by 67th Avenue on Thu Nov 6 19:02:15 2008, in response to Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 6 18:04:19 2008. Good question. Maybe a Staten Island - Elizabeth route serving Downtown/Midtown, Jersey Gardens and possibly Newark Liberty International Airport might be good. |
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Posted by MTA_SI on Thu Nov 6 19:03:04 2008, in response to Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 6 18:04:19 2008. There are early plans when Charleston opens for a route subsidized by PANYNJ to Newark Airpot.But a stop at Jersey Gradens does sound like a great idea. |
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Posted by Chipper10 on Thu Nov 6 19:25:49 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by MTA_SI on Thu Nov 6 19:03:04 2008. Will this route be operated by NYC Transit and where will it begin on Staten Island MCI SI. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Nov 6 19:42:43 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Chipper10 on Thu Nov 6 19:25:49 2008. It begins in your imagination. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 6 19:48:09 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by MTA_SI on Thu Nov 6 19:03:04 2008. But a stop at Jersey Gradens does sound like a great idea.Finally, a bus/ferry route suggestion that I made here that has gotten approval! But anyways, the proposed Newark Liberty route seems like it would do very well for the island. Is it known where it would run in Staten Island yet? |
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Posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 6 21:35:38 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Chipper10 on Thu Nov 6 19:25:49 2008. The MTA isn't doing it because they have to bribe the FTA to leave them alone over the other interstate operations. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 6 22:01:44 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by 67th Avenue on Thu Nov 6 19:02:15 2008. Downtown/Midtown Manhattan? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Nov 7 00:55:15 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Ken S. on Thu Nov 6 21:35:38 2008. Don't be surprised if they shift those other buses over there and put racks in them. You can put racks right over the front wheel housings. The MTA has already studied running to Newark Airport from Richmond Avenue and the previous study assumed the use of MCIs. They were going to charge $7. They may charge a double local fare and use transit buses (similar to WMATA's B30).They could still save face by not being ordered to do it. |
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Posted by Andrew Kirschner on Fri Nov 7 11:24:05 2008, in response to Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 6 18:04:19 2008. I've wondered if maybe something would make sense from the Tottenville area accross the Outterbridge Crossing to like Perth Amboy might make sense to connect to NJ Transit. That part of SI is pretty isolated, transit-wise. |
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Posted by Dan on Fri Nov 7 12:51:17 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 6 19:48:09 2008. I don't think there's enough of a market on SI for a route to Newark Airport. Staten Islanders using the airport have someone drive them there or take a car/limo service to the airport.Unless the MTA feels that there are enough airport employees to justify such a route. If the target is employees then you might get away with using local equipment. If the target is travlers then coach buses are a must for reasons of comfort. Wasn't there a private service a few years ago that ran from the SI mall parking lot? Olympia Trails? |
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Posted by mci guy on Fri Nov 7 14:58:27 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Dan on Fri Nov 7 12:51:17 2008. indeed there was. but it didnt go to mall. that outfit services newark but i dont know if it ever came to si. i really dont think it did. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Nov 8 10:44:03 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Dan on Fri Nov 7 12:51:17 2008. Yeah I don't think that there's much demand for a Staten Island-Liberty Airport route neither, I was talking about my idea for a Staten Island-Jersey Gardens route. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Nov 8 10:45:27 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Andrew Kirschner on Fri Nov 7 11:24:05 2008. I don't know too much about where ridership is in Perth Amboy, but I'd imagine that the route would do better if it went to the Eltingville Transit Center instead of Tottenville, am I correct? |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Nov 8 10:54:20 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Nov 8 10:44:03 2008. Shoppers prefer to drive especially if you're bring back a lot of stuff. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Nov 8 11:08:25 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Dan on Sat Nov 8 10:54:20 2008. That's the bottom line. These kind of bus routes are only good for the people who work there to get to/from work. Let's be practical: if you buy a lot of stuff you have to lug it a long way and up and down a narrow bus stairway, taking up extra sitting room on the bus, and once it;s time to get off you could leave a package on the bus in your haste to exit. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Nov 8 11:39:03 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Dan on Sat Nov 8 10:54:20 2008. What about shoppers that don't have cars or want to save money? |
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Posted by mci guy on Sat Nov 8 11:48:12 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Nov 8 10:45:27 2008. yea but it aint goig nowhere cause mta aint interested. they want to cut service not expand. |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Nov 9 10:20:45 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Nov 8 11:39:03 2008. What about shoppers that don't have cars or want to save money?Those shoppers are most likely stay on S.I. to shop. If they have to lug back big items they call car service. Easier to load an HDTV into a car service car than onto a bus, even a coach bus. |
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Posted by pd11604 on Sun Nov 9 14:44:23 2008, in response to Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 6 18:04:19 2008. years ago there was a red and tan line bus that ran from SIFerry to Elizabeth, NJ |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Nov 9 15:29:53 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by pd11604 on Sun Nov 9 14:44:23 2008. And it could happen again. For many communities on the Jersey Shore, the fastest way to lower Manhattan would be via the Staten Island Ferry. |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Nov 9 15:54:59 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by JAzumah on Sun Nov 9 15:29:53 2008. Isn't that one of the after-effects of increased growth and service to the Jersey City Waterfront from carriers such as Academy, Coach USA and NJT? - A faster way into lower ManhattanI happen to think a revival of service into SI for that purpose from Jersey would be beneficial, even though a lot of people would be hesitant because they will lose their one-seat ride This idea for NJT to send Central Jersey buses to Secaucus Junction in the event of extreme delays is a great idea - I wish they would extend the option for everyday AM peak travel into the city, it could prove very beneficial |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Nov 9 16:26:34 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Nov 9 15:54:59 2008. That is correct. The Pulaski Skyway can be brutal during rush hours. It is also why I think the North Shore Railroad on Staten Island should not be light rail, but a diesel/third rail railroad instead. An increasing number of SI residents work in New Jersey at places like New Brunswick and Princeton as well as at Raritan Center. In addition, many SI students are going to school in NJ. Essex County Community College (for example) has lots of NY plates there for a NJ school.This summer's fuel spike has a lot of people on edge about driving. They do not ever want to be in a position to be taken advantage of again. The right scale of transportation (even vans) could gain new traction next year. |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Nov 9 16:32:39 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by JAzumah on Sun Nov 9 16:26:34 2008. Have you thought about a reverse-peak initiative to get commuters from SI into Central Jersey to these workplaces, is there a market for that in the form of limited commuter line runs?I too agree with the "right scale of transportation" concept, what I expect to see more of in the future (not necessarily near future) is customized commuter transport service using mid-size coaches or vans retro-fitted the same way Bolt and Megabus are, with wi-fi and electrical outlets - maybe even a complimentary newspaper, to make the morning commute more productive, that's the trend in transportation right now and its only going to continue |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Nov 9 16:51:20 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Nov 9 16:32:39 2008. "Have you thought about a reverse-peak initiative to get commuters from SI into Central Jersey to these workplaces, is there a market for that in the form of limited commuter line runs?"There is a market to Newark. After stabilizing the 144, we are going to send buses to Newark. We'll run that one via EWR. After Jersey City, Journal Square and Newark are the top calls that we get. Raritan Center is tempting, but the ready availability of parking and the short distance is a disadvantage for commuter operations. New Brunswick and Princeton via Route 1 and the corporate complexes is a possibility. Jersey Gardens is a possibility as the North Shore would gobble that up. The intriguing markets are the factory shift change markets in NJ. I am a big fan of manufacturing since it provides good jobs for normal people (in general). |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Nov 9 17:12:01 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by JAzumah on Sun Nov 9 16:51:20 2008. I really like a North Shore line to Jersey Gardens that you are suggesting, definitely would have demand - what about a line from SI Mall via Richmond up to the North Shore and Victory Blvd to Jersey Gardens, EWR and Newark? What is demand for thatI agree with your assessment on the Raritan Center service, I've never thought of sending service from SI to Route 1, even though that's pretty much the new technology drive on the NE Corridor, maybe a line to Metropark for NE Corridor reverse peak would be more efficient in terms of getting buses back on runs to create greater flexibility in scheduling and also serving that whole business park corridor |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Nov 9 17:17:20 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Nov 9 17:12:01 2008. Also is there demand from Port Elizabeth/Port Newark workers and business for any type of private shuttle service for you either within Jersey or from SI?I would think from JC/Bayonne there would be but I haven't really looked into SI |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Nov 9 17:20:57 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Nov 9 17:12:01 2008. Gee, I suggest an idea and it gets negative feedback, but JAzumah suggests the same idea and it gets praised, that says a lot IMO. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 9 17:33:31 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Nov 9 17:20:57 2008. link? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Nov 9 17:40:30 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 9 17:33:31 2008. Perhaps I'm overreacting, but here. |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Nov 9 17:46:29 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Nov 8 10:44:03 2008. The difference between your suggestion and Joel's was your wording: Joel suggested North Shore in particular, whereas you suggested just the general SI - either way I agree with both of you on the service suggestion, even though there's a lot more potential than just a Jersey Gardens service to NJ |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Nov 9 17:49:16 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Nov 9 17:17:20 2008. We are looking...many of those businesses force people to drive because of their hours. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Nov 9 17:54:06 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Nov 9 17:20:57 2008. metrolinecoach111 may not have seen your post. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 9 18:09:33 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Nov 9 17:40:30 2008. ok, thanks |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Sun Nov 9 18:12:16 2008, in response to Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 6 18:04:19 2008. Here's a thought. How about a route between Eltingville Transit Center and Newark Penn Station stopping only at SI Mall, EWR, and Jersey Gardens? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Nov 9 18:32:21 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Nov 9 17:46:29 2008. Yeah I'm overreacting, my bad. |
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Posted by trnsper on Sun Nov 9 20:14:40 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by pd11604 on Sun Nov 9 14:44:23 2008. It was not a Red and Tan line. Red and Tan ran from Keansburg to Manhattan via Staten Island. It was the original 99 line.There was a company called Arrow Coach Lines that had ICC rights to run from the SI Ferry to downtown Elizabeth. That line stopped running by the early 1970s. |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Nov 9 20:27:04 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by trnsper on Sun Nov 9 20:14:40 2008. When did that R&T line run, was it before the operating authority to the predecessor to Academy on Route 36 was granted?Also, once R&T gave that run up, was that when they began to focus on Middlesex County local services (the M10-17), and Hudson County? |
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Posted by pd11604 on Sun Nov 9 20:56:38 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by trnsper on Sun Nov 9 20:14:40 2008. ok I was not sure of the line but there definately used to be a bus from SI Ferry to Elizabeth - It ran along Forest Avenue - I think 2 morning runs, NY to NJ and 2 Evening Runs NJ - NY |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Sun Nov 9 20:58:23 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by pd11604 on Sun Nov 9 20:56:38 2008. Are you sure it wasn't the one trnsper referred to here:"There was a company called Arrow Coach Lines that had ICC rights to run from the SI Ferry to downtown Elizabeth. That line stopped running by the early 1970s" |
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Posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Mon Nov 10 13:34:49 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by pd11604 on Sun Nov 9 20:56:38 2008. Hudson Bus ran the 99S. Most of the service ran between the Port Authority and the southern end of Bayonne. There were at it's peak 5 trips a day onto Staten Island. All 5 went to Perth Amboy and 2 or three continued to Keansburg depending on if it was winter or summer. Eventually Hudson Bus gave up the extended trips to S.I., Perth Amboy and Keansburg. Domenico tried to pick up that service with connecting service at City Line on the Boulevard. That ended also. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Nov 10 16:20:23 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by JAzumah on Sun Nov 9 16:26:34 2008. "North Shore Railroad on Staten Island should not be light rail, but a diesel/third rail railroad instead"TRUTH! I'm glad someone else realizes this. They'd have to build a connecting track to the NEC, but I feel like it would be very well patronized, in both directions during rush hours |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Nov 10 16:37:00 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by mci guy on Sat Nov 8 11:48:12 2008. Why's it gotta be MTA? |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Mon Nov 10 17:07:16 2008, in response to Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Nov 6 18:04:19 2008. Sorry to bring this up again but what did you think of this?Route Option 1: Eltingville Transit Center-Newark Penn Station Stops in between: SI Mall Jersey Gardens EWR Secaucus Plaza(possibly) Route Option 2: Hylan Blvd-Newark Penn Station via Journal Sq Stops in between: S89 stops in SI (no stops between Walker St and Journal Sq via Bayonne Bridge and JFK Blvd |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 10 23:35:53 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Mon Nov 10 17:07:16 2008. I like Option 1 a lot, have it go all the way up to Forest Avenue before turning towards Jersey and I think that you have yourself a good route. |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Mon Nov 10 23:51:28 2008, in response to Re: Staten Island-New Jersey local bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 10 23:35:53 2008. I agree, you won't get many people on option 2 on the discretionary travel periods, and moderate service weekdays past the HBLR station |
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