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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by tbev on Mon Aug 18 14:59:30 2008, in response to NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by tbev on Mon Aug 18 14:56:31 2008. I see the logic less buses being used and quick turnarounds. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 18 15:57:55 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by tbev on Mon Aug 18 14:59:30 2008. No, I bet it has to do with the congestion at the Lincoln Tunnel, combined with the recent FTA rule change. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Mon Aug 18 16:06:57 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 18 15:57:55 2008. What rule change is that? |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Mon Aug 18 16:43:11 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 18 15:57:55 2008. Actually, this is a way to get people conditioned to using the train from NYC for when the rail link (along the PVL) to the Meadowlands is finished, since there won't even be shuttle buses at that point. You'll take a train out of PSNY, transfer to the PVL at Secaucus, and get off at the Meadowlands.Plus, with the opening game at 7pm Thursday September 4, there's no way NJT can run the 351, as it would have to run during rush hour and compete with all the buses trying to get commuters home. There'd be no extra buses or drivers to do it... they're all committed to rush hour runs. Can you imagine the traffic on 3, 495, and through the Linc with 351s added to all the commuter runs? And for those people taking the train, don't expect a seat to Secaucus that Thursday! You're standing to Secaucus, or else you won't make it to a door in time. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by tbev on Mon Aug 18 16:49:55 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by kcram3500 on Mon Aug 18 16:43:11 2008. I figured that would be the case because they are making progress with the rail link |
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| (111918) | |
Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Mon Aug 18 16:59:09 2008, in response to NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by tbev on Mon Aug 18 14:56:31 2008. Do you know who's running the shuttle with what fleet? |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 18 17:00:39 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by kcram3500 on Mon Aug 18 16:43:11 2008. I don't think that rail link will be direct to NYP, so... |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by tbev on Mon Aug 18 17:11:27 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Mon Aug 18 16:59:09 2008. It will more than likely be a NJT/CUSA combo with majority of the buses being MCIs. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Mon Aug 18 17:42:50 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 18 17:00:39 2008. Nope... when the sports complex station is completed, you'll change trains at Secaucus - essentially what you will be doing now with the shuttle buses between Secaucus and the Meadowlands. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by JAzumah on Mon Aug 18 19:53:25 2008, in response to NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by tbev on Mon Aug 18 14:56:31 2008. Hmmm, do you smell that?Kcramm, what do I smell? |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Mon Aug 18 20:27:26 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by JAzumah on Mon Aug 18 19:53:25 2008. Service cuts? Destructive competition? An opportunity to be a contractor for the shuttle service? |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Mon Aug 18 21:03:26 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by JAzumah on Mon Aug 18 19:53:25 2008. LOL |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by 9 local on Mon Aug 18 21:28:02 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Mon Aug 18 20:27:26 2008. Can't be service cuts, since the 351 is a special events route only. Can't be destructive competition, since NJT operated the service previously. And there is no way that it will be contracted out since the 351 wasn't contracted out. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 18 21:39:36 2008, in response to NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by tbev on Mon Aug 18 14:56:31 2008. This one was a long time coming. I think that the previous time was simply a dry run...and especially for this Giants game, it would be too much to crowd the Lincoln Tunnel. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders. |
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Posted by Chipper10 on Mon Aug 18 21:39:58 2008, in response to NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by tbev on Mon Aug 18 14:56:31 2008. This would be great for rail riders of the Northeast Corridor and North Jersey Coast lines south, Main/Bergen County,Pascack Valley,Port Jervis and Midtown Direct from the Morristown and Montclair Lines who can get to the Meadowlands Sports Complex much faster by rail and reduce traffic congestion around the Meadowland Sports Complex area. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 18 21:40:10 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by 9 local on Mon Aug 18 21:28:02 2008. Then what about Community Coach on the 351? |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by 9 local on Mon Aug 18 21:42:42 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 18 21:40:10 2008. That was a partial contract, not a full one. And I would guess that any contracting would be given to Community Coach as an extension of the contract they currently have for the 351. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by JAzumah on Mon Aug 18 21:46:24 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by kcram3500 on Mon Aug 18 21:03:26 2008. Glad you smell it too. Now I have phone calls to make. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 18 21:48:18 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by kcram3500 on Mon Aug 18 17:42:50 2008. Oh, and don't lose those tickets or you may be stuck at Secaucus Junction. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Mon Aug 18 22:04:10 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by JAzumah on Mon Aug 18 21:46:24 2008. About what? |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 18 22:18:23 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 18 15:57:55 2008. What does it have to do with either? |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 18 22:19:32 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by kcram3500 on Mon Aug 18 16:43:11 2008. Plus, with the opening game at 7pm Thursday September 4, there's no way NJT can run the 351, as it would have to run during rush hour and compete with all the buses trying to get commuters home. There'd be no extra buses or drivers to do it... they're all committed to rush hour runs. Can you imagine the traffic on 3, 495, and through the Linc with 351s added to all the commuter runs??? Haven't they done it in the past? And it says it is permanent. So I don't think it is just because of opening day. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 18 22:20:19 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 18 21:39:36 2008. ?? |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 18 22:22:47 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders., posted by Chipper10 on Mon Aug 18 21:39:58 2008. ?????It says "advance tickets can be purchased at the Port Authority Bus Terminal, PSNY, Newark Penn Station and Secaucus Junction." And day of tickets might only be at Penn Station New York, though I don't know. So it doesn't seem like it is meant for users of other routes. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Aug 18 22:28:48 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 18 22:22:47 2008. But who says they can't benefit or can't use it? |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Mon Aug 18 23:35:33 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 18 22:19:32 2008. Previous weeknight games started later... there's never been a 7 pm weeknight kickoff for a Giants or Jets game until now. By NJT's rules for the 351, service would have needed to start at 4:30 pm from the PABT and run a "load and go" schedule until 7:30 - no logistical way to pull that off. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 19 00:01:13 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by kcram3500 on Mon Aug 18 23:35:33 2008. I can just see Coach USA (for its part) pulling any Megabus.com double deckers available and running them on the 351. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Tue Aug 19 00:08:02 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 19 00:01:13 2008. Unlikely, the TD925s are too tall to travel via the Lincoln Tunnel. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by 9 local on Tue Aug 19 00:21:52 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Tue Aug 19 00:08:02 2008. Funny how I saw one coming down the NJ-495 helix into the Lincoln Tunnel, seeing as, according to you, they can't fit. |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Tue Aug 19 00:27:50 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by 9 local on Tue Aug 19 00:21:52 2008. Okay, I have been wrong before. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 19 06:13:31 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Tue Aug 19 00:27:50 2008. But why would you say that they don't fit? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 19 06:14:02 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by kcram3500 on Mon Aug 18 23:35:33 2008. You mean later in the night or later in the season? |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 19 06:14:20 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Aug 18 22:28:48 2008. They can't get tickets! |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Tue Aug 19 09:40:29 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 19 06:14:02 2008. Later in the night (8:30 or 9 pm kickoff) - less interference with rush hour. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 19 09:47:56 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 18 22:20:19 2008. Remember that it can take as long as 1 hour for a bus to get through the Lincoln Tunnel in the PM rush, increasing the number of buses needed to run load-and-go services. OTOH, Meadowland Parkway, the primary street this service would likely use, is a wide-open street, with only one major area of crowding: near the stadium itself. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 19 10:21:26 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 18 21:48:18 2008. HA! They're selling RT tickets to sports fans who will drink themselves silly, and then have to come up with the tickets to get home... |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders. |
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Posted by QM18Express on Tue Aug 19 10:23:27 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 18 22:22:47 2008. This is what it is showing in the service notices."Regular $10 roundtrip tickets will be sold at all New York Penn Station ticket windows and ticket vending machines. Dedicated ticket windows will be available for your convenience. Advance tickets can be purchased at the Port Authority Bus Terminal, PSNY, Newark Penn Station and Secaucus Junction." In other words, yes anybody can use the service from points west and points north however they would have to buy the special tickets upon getting off the train at Secaucus Junction |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 19 10:26:59 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders., posted by QM18Express on Tue Aug 19 10:23:27 2008. Or, would the regular two-zone fare ($2.15) be charged for the service for those connecting from other destinations? |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 19 10:35:31 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Tue Aug 19 00:08:02 2008. Lincoln Tunnel posted clearance is 13', according to ABC Companies' website, the TD925 is 13' 1-1/16" tall, standard equiped. Obviously, the actual tunnel clearance is slightly more than 13', and the height of the bus can vary depending on a number of factors. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 19 11:07:00 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 18 22:18:23 2008. I take a bus home through the tunnel every day; it can take just as long to get through the tunnel as it does to go from the tunnel exit to the Goethals Bridge.The FTA rule change has been previously discussed. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 19 11:08:56 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Mon Aug 18 22:04:10 2008. He's going to rattle cages to see if he can have some 'action' taken again the public operator of the charter service. He'll likely have as much success as he has had with the MTA, the s89, and the MTA express bus trips through NJ. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 19 11:13:46 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders., posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 19 06:14:20 2008. It does seem absurd that they people coming from further away can't get tickets for this particular service. They do run other bus lines to the stadium, can one get a through ticket on those? |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 19 11:15:50 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders., posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 19 10:26:59 2008. Or the notice may, as is typical, be poorly worded. Maybe you can get a through ticket to Giants Stadium from any point on NJT's system that connects to SEC from a ticket machine, AND you can get those tickets at the manned windows at the listed locations. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 19 11:36:16 2008, in response to NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by tbev on Mon Aug 18 14:56:31 2008. However...would these shuttle buses be closed to anyone not coming from NY, or would special fares be available from other points in the NJT system?BTW, IMO, a separate shuttle bus (special #76 service) should run from Kingsland and Garfield stations...with the rerouted #351 being rebranded the 129M. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by tbev on Tue Aug 19 12:06:05 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by kcram3500 on Mon Aug 18 23:35:33 2008. They have used what they call area X for big events during weeknights ( Bruce Springsteen , Soccer matches )which is on 41st between 8th and 9th aves . It can be done from PABT just not inside. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 19 12:37:10 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by kcram3500 on Tue Aug 19 09:40:29 2008. Ok. So the Lincoln Tunnel earlier in the day may be an issue. But I believe the real reason for this change is ongoing construction at the PABT. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 19 12:38:16 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 19 11:07:00 2008. I take a bus home through the tunnel every day; it can take just as long to get through the tunnel as it does to go from the tunnel exit to the Goethals Bridge.It may be an issue, but the primary reason for the change, I believe, is ongoing construction at the PABT. The FTA rule change has been previously discussed. I know all about the FTA rule change. That's why I asked what this has to do with that. Do you know? |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 19 12:39:02 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, good news for other rail riders., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 19 11:13:46 2008. Ok, I take it back. I think they will be able to get tickets for the shuttle buses. |
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Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 19 12:40:01 2008, in response to Re: NJT 351 to be cut back to Secaucus Junction, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 19 09:47:56 2008. It may be an issue, but the primary reason for the change, I believe, is ongoing construction at the PABT. |
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