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Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid bu |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Aug 14 07:26:23 2008, in response to Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid buses, posted by gold_12th on Thu Aug 14 03:41:23 2008. After the 60-LFW debacle, I'm surprised that the CTA is still wanting to consider NABI for an order. Is the 60-BRT that good or is the CTA that wanting of a low-floor artic that they'd be willing to risk being burned again?How well are CTA's 40' LFS's holding up and are they well-liked? If the bids are close, that could be a tiebreaker especially since the LFS has improved since the CTA got theirs. |
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Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid buses |
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Posted by O2- Glastonbury on Thu Aug 14 18:33:55 2008, in response to Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid buses, posted by gold_12th on Thu Aug 14 03:41:23 2008. No doubt about it. New flyer.Daniel M |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Thu Aug 14 19:21:55 2008, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid bu, posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Aug 14 07:26:23 2008. What were the specific issues with CTA's NABI low-floor artic fleet? |
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Posted by MaBSTOA Yard Dispatcher on Thu Aug 14 22:36:07 2008, in response to Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid buses, posted by gold_12th on Thu Aug 14 03:41:23 2008. NOT NABI. Some of the buses these will replace ARE the NABI Artics! |
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Posted by TMC RTS 06 on Fri Aug 15 00:01:31 2008, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid bu, posted by Bingham C50 on Thu Aug 14 19:21:55 2008. Cracked frames, fires, you name it...But then, that's what you get for being a beta-tester...notice how no other transit agency has 60-LFWs... |
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Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid bu |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Fri Aug 15 00:14:29 2008, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid bu, posted by TMC RTS 06 on Fri Aug 15 00:01:31 2008. True, but many agencies have the 60-BRT, the 60-LFW's younger, BRT-styled sister...it's all the same frame, really... |
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Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid buses |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Fri Aug 15 03:02:28 2008, in response to Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid buses, posted by gold_12th on Thu Aug 14 03:41:23 2008. i believe NABI can make a better 60LFW...CTA were the guinnea pigs in the model. Id rather see a NABI or NFI artic in Chitown than a NovaBus artic |
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Posted by TMC RTS 06 on Fri Aug 15 03:58:42 2008, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid bu, posted by Dr. Casca on Fri Aug 15 00:14:29 2008. Oh, yeah, I know. But NABI threw it on the backs of the CTA to work out all the kinks and get the 60-BRT right. And CTA isn't particularly pleased.Personally, I like the looks of the 60-LFW...I don't understand why people are willing to pay more for what is basically plastic cladding to make the bus look more like a train. Just invest in the friggin train infrastructure and get it over with. Oh wait...then there wouldn't be a need for BRT. |
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Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid bu |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Fri Aug 15 07:37:15 2008, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid buses, posted by MaBSTOA Yard Dispatcher on Thu Aug 14 22:36:07 2008. I think that since the kinks for the 60-BRT have been largely worked out (at CTA's expense), I think they might have a chance. Remember, this wouldn't be the first time CTA has gone back to a manufacturer who did a bad job the first time.I still have an odd feeling it'd be Nova who would get the order. It'd give their revived US operations a shot in the arm and all the beta testing would be at the expense of the Quebecois. Besides, I've heard no problems about the CTA's older LFS's... |
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Posted by R22 Shoal Point on Fri Aug 15 11:55:56 2008, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid bu, posted by Scrabbleship on Fri Aug 15 07:37:15 2008. However Nova currently does not offer a hybrid artic as they are still fine tuning the diesel artic. |
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Posted by railbus63 on Fri Aug 15 12:26:50 2008, in response to Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid buses, posted by gold_12th on Thu Aug 14 03:41:23 2008. New Flyer has to be the favorite here. |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Fri Aug 15 18:50:52 2008, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid bu, posted by R22 Shoal Point on Fri Aug 15 11:55:56 2008. Even so, they would be able to produce it with no problem...heck, if we asked for it, it can and would happen. |
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Posted by metropod on Fri Aug 15 19:32:24 2008, in response to Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid buses, posted by gold_12th on Thu Aug 14 03:41:23 2008. low floor articulated electric hybrid busesbit of a mouthful. :) |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Fri Aug 15 19:58:55 2008, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid buses, posted by metropod on Fri Aug 15 19:32:24 2008. Hey, they're a reality in Seattle. |
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Posted by Transit Jeff on Fri Aug 15 21:36:14 2008, in response to Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid buses, posted by gold_12th on Thu Aug 14 03:41:23 2008. This doesn't surprise me. It's the trend of the industry. Large and small operators are doing it. Yet, New Jersey Transit persists and orders over a thousand "high-floor" straight Diesel transits and suburbans. Yes, I know their reasons, but I still disagree. Useless to argue the point anymore. |
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Posted by wordguy on Fri Aug 15 22:31:25 2008, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid bu, posted by TMC RTS 06 on Fri Aug 15 00:01:31 2008. Yep, the NABIs have been an unrelenting disaster from Day One. Among major problems: prematurely worn bushings, especially around the mid-section bellows; also blown turbos in abundance. There are other structural and mechanical problems as well.Street failures with these buses are par for the course. Stroll up Michigan Avenue during any evening hour. At least one or two NABIs can be found curbside fast asleep with the rear lid up. Last month, the engine of one caught fire during an outbound express run along Lake Shore Drive. 140 passengers were on board. Fortunately, everyone escaped unharmed. Apparently, the B/O managed to keep everyone calm. From what I've learned, the CTA is not blameless for this fiasco. The agency was so desperate for new buses that apparent problems with the prototype test bus were disregarded. By the time the field test in Altoona, PA was finished, and deemed a failure, the CTA had already give the green light for production to begin. Only a few buses from the production order had been finished, so the CTA still had the option of canceling or delaying the rest of the order. But they didn't! Hence 226 rolling disasters. (Oops, make that 225 now since the fire. -Dan from Chicago |
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Isn't that 224? |
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Posted by TMC RTS 06 on Fri Aug 15 22:39:28 2008, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid bu, posted by wordguy on Fri Aug 15 22:31:25 2008. Didn't they lose another NABI in another fire a year or so ago? |
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Posted by wordguy on Fri Aug 15 22:59:20 2008, in response to Re: Chicago Transit Authority (CTA) is purchasing up to 900 low floor articulated electric hybrid bu, posted by wordguy on Fri Aug 15 22:31:25 2008. The purchase of 900 hybrid artics is contingent on a lot of stuff that's far from reality. First of all, the funding simply ain't there.To begin with, our state government is seriously dysfunctional. The guv and the House and Senate leaders are behaving like spoiled brats and barely even speak with one another. Understandably, they're widely disliked by many of the other legislators, as well as lots of us who elected them. So state funding for capital programs such as transit won't happen any time soon. Hence, no federal dollars either. Oh, did I mention that the state's unable to even pay it's bills? Second, the CTA doesn't have the storage capacity for 900 more artics. Most of the eight depots (actually, we call them garages) are already full. There are no plans for additional yards. Last, I really don't believe that there are enough routes in the system to warrant the use of 900 more artics, even assuming major growth in the number of riders. Honestly, I have no idea what the CTA transit planners are smoking. -Dan from Chicago (ex B/0 1969-75) |
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Re: Isn't that 224? |
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Posted by wordguy on Fri Aug 15 23:05:38 2008, in response to Isn't that 224?, posted by TMC RTS 06 on Fri Aug 15 22:39:28 2008. You're right about that fire a year ago, but it was a relatively minor one. It was a brake fire. That bus was repaired and is back in service. |
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