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Bx9 Question |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 20 22:59:07 2008 Today I paid a visit to Marble Hill (Nice mall!). On the Bx9, there is a hill (forget hill, it just goes up) and our bus barely made it up. We crawled up Kingsbridge Road at 3 MPH, with the A/C off and the engine giving all it's might.I wonder, how does this work in the winter? Is service rerouted or is it cut all together? |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sun Jul 20 23:27:23 2008, in response to Bx9 Question, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 20 22:59:07 2008. It's the same thing all year round, actually; The Bx9, as far as i know, goes up and down that hill in any weather, rain, snow, or shine. Any artic going up Kingsbridge Rd. struggles to get up there, especially in the winter. It's a pain. I sometimes wonder how they actually make it up there, especially with the load... When I attended nearby JFK high school years ago, I've heard stories of buses actually rolling backwards when the B/Os would let go of the brakes to proceed up the hill to Sedgwick Avenue.The O5s on the other hand, go up with a bit more ease. And when KB had the RTS 8800s being used for after school specials on the Bx9 would beat the Artics any day. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 20 23:34:55 2008, in response to Bx9 Question, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 20 22:59:07 2008. hahahahahahahaaha, rerouting in the winter! you think this city is full of wusses??? They put on tire chains and unless the road is closed, the buses stick to the route! |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 20 23:38:36 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sun Jul 20 23:27:23 2008. "I've heard stories of buses actually rolling backwards"I was afraid that would happen. I mean really afraid. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 20 23:40:07 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 20 23:34:55 2008. What does this have to do with wusses? Artics have hard times in the snow. |
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Posted by Waynejay on Sun Jul 20 23:46:30 2008, in response to Bx9 Question, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 20 22:59:07 2008. That hill has always been a fight for KB buses going back to the new look era. I'm not saying NYCTA needed hill-climbers like MUNI or PATransit had, but that basic DD 6V-71N/Allison VH-9 were weak. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 20 23:48:11 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 20 23:40:07 2008. What does this have to do with wusses?You suggested they reroute. That's wussy. The bus stops are permanent. There's no "winter bus stops". So why would they reroute? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jul 21 00:39:39 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 20 23:38:36 2008. That happened a few times on the Q44 when it was going north on 150 Street between Hillside Avenue and The Grand Central P'way. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Jul 21 00:45:01 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 20 23:38:36 2008. "I was afraid that would happen. I mean really afraid."Oh yeah...and its not going up the problem always, its going down also, especially on snowy days. Sometimes those Artics careen down Kingsbridge Rd. in bad weather. It's scary. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jul 21 01:17:29 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 20 23:48:11 2008. Aren't there stops on 5th Avenue in Manhattan that change during the winter around Rockefeller Center? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jul 21 01:19:18 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jul 21 00:39:39 2008. What was the Q44 doing up there? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jul 21 06:18:53 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jul 21 01:19:18 2008. Going to the Bronx. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 21 06:50:50 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jul 21 01:17:29 2008. I don't know. You tell me. But even if there are, does that have anything to do with impassable roads to to snow? |
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Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Jul 21 08:57:15 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Waynejay on Sun Jul 20 23:46:30 2008. which had a tougher battle with that hill, a GM or Flx New Look? |
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Posted by sitechboy on Mon Jul 21 09:03:15 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 21 06:50:50 2008. the SI bound express stops outside Rock Center are generally relocated away from the Tree during the holidays to avoid evergreen-necking congestion |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jul 21 09:16:10 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jul 21 01:19:18 2008. For the sixty years prior to 1999, the Q44 traveled on 150 Street between Hillside and the GCP service road. The Bronx-bound 44 would turn right off Sutphin onto Hillside, left on 150, right on the eastbound service road, a U-turn on the Parsons Boulevard overpass, and then the westbound service road to Main Street where it would turn right towards Flushing. Jamaica-bound routing was much simpler: left off Main on eastbound service road, right on 150.All this ended in Spring 1999 with the advent of the Q20A/B, which served as a local to the newly Limited Q44 from Whitestone to Jamaica. All three routes were rerouted off the service road and 150 Street to the southernmost half-mile of Main Street, Queens Boulevard and Hillside Avenue west of Sutphin. It was considered a less circutious routing and provided new service to Archbishop Molloy HS, Van Wyck/Briarwood station and the Briarwood shopping district. Assemblywoman Nettie Mayerson was campaigning for this change for decades. Considering the very steep uphill on 150 north from Hillside and the close parallel to Parsons Boulevard (Q25,34), the rerouting made some sense. But for some reason, the NO PARKING ANYTIME regulation that existed on both sides of narrow, winding 150 STILL exist nine years after the removal of the Q44! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 21 09:40:37 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by sitechboy on Mon Jul 21 09:03:15 2008. ok, but that's a drop off only stop. So there's no comparison to the Bx9. Thanks. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jul 21 10:21:56 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 21 09:40:37 2008. IIRC, the M1-M5 are also affected. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jul 21 10:22:35 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jul 21 09:16:10 2008. Thanks a lot for the info. I wonder where the MTA comes up with the routing on some bus routes sometimes. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Jul 21 11:42:29 2008, in response to Bx9 Question, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 20 22:59:07 2008. I thought that hill was no worse than northbound Riverdale Ave. That is a hike. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Jul 21 11:44:27 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jul 21 01:17:29 2008. They change because 5th Ave is impossible to drive during the holiday season because of heavy traffic, not because of the snow. I estimated at least 1 hour sitting in traffic from 57th Street to the Christmas tree at West 50th Street. (Yes 1 HOUR!!!!!!). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 21 12:18:22 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jul 21 10:21:56 2008. If so, do they put up a temporary bus stop and put notices on the buses and on the website? |
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Q44 Jamaica Routing- Re: Bx9 Question |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jul 21 13:03:22 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jul 21 10:22:35 2008. Some of the bus route structures are very idiosynctatic, many of them dating back to the trolley routes that preceded them. That's not the case with the Q44, which was not descended from a trolley route but was created as a bus route in 1939 in deference to the Worlds' Fair and the opening of the Whitestone Bridge.The reason 150 Street was used as the connector between the GCP and Hillside may have been because it was the only through street at the time. Main Street between the GCP and Queens Boulevard didn't even exist until the early fifties; it merely dead-ended at the GCP. The construction of the Van Wyck Expressway spurred the southwesterly extension of Main into the long underpass that leads onto the expressway. If you're ever in the area, notice how Main cuts through the existing street grid rather than conforms to it. Nonetheless, it took forty years for lower Main Street to finally get bus service. This no doubt thrilled Molloy students from northeast Queens who had to make a long walk from the GCP service road where the Q44 originally turned east. Drivers are also happy that the 1999 rerouting via Queens Boulevard is on entirely level terrain. Yes, I know Parsons Boulevard runs parallel one block east of 150. I'm not sure in Queens Transit yet existed in 1939, or whether any bus ran along that stretch of Parsons at the time. But competitive reasons of some kind may have kept the 44 off Parsons. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Jul 21 15:45:21 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jul 21 09:16:10 2008. I had a history lession today. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Jul 21 16:40:28 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 21 12:18:22 2008. Yes they do. |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Mon Jul 21 19:09:00 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 20 23:34:55 2008. I'm sorry but you are wrong, not 100% but still wrong. Yes they do put tire chains on the KB buses but if it's more than 3 inches they do reroute the Bx9. Trust me, I used to live on Sedgwick over there and the most annoying thing in the world would be being on the Bx9 and having to walk up that hill in the dead of winter because the bus was running 225st-Bailey Av-Sedgwick Av-Fordham Rd-University Av-Kingsbridge Rd. Why they didn't just make the bus run up Sedgwick back to Kingsbridge Rd I have no idea, but if theres too much snow the Bx9 makes no stops bet. B'way and University. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Jul 21 21:39:20 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Mon Jul 21 19:09:00 2008. Interesting...I didn't know they had that kind reroute on the Bx9 ( heh, :)I learned something today!). When I attended nearby JFK high school years ago, I'd see all the Bx9 buses go up (and down) that hill, regardless of how bad the weather was.But I do agree on this, why not just have them go along Sedgwick Ave. and proceed on normal route at Kingbridge, instead of having to go all the way to Univerity Ave.? It only makes the trip even longer (unless they want to have transfers with the Bx12 on Fordham Rd.). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 21 21:42:50 2008, in response to Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Mon Jul 21 19:09:00 2008. Ok, then I apologize for my mistake. |
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Re: Q44 Jamaica Routing- Re: Bx9 Question |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 22 01:55:45 2008, in response to Q44 Jamaica Routing- Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jul 21 13:03:22 2008. I see, thanks a lot again for the info. Since the route originated from the World's Fair, did it ever go to Shea Stadium? Speaking of other weird routings that I don't get though, is the Q32's dated Jackson Heights terminal, and the Q104 south of Broadway and 48th Street. |
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Re: Q44 Jamaica Routing- Re: Bx9 Question |
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Posted by q11-Woodhaven on Tue Jul 22 20:51:01 2008, in response to Q44 Jamaica Routing- Re: Bx9 Question, posted by Howard Fein on Mon Jul 21 13:03:22 2008. That's for sure-150th Street use to be real fun during an ice storm. |
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