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Re: I HAVE FOUND INFO ON THE SI BUS STUDY

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun May 21 14:44:21 2017, in response to Re: I HAVE FOUND INFO ON THE SI BUS STUDY, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun May 21 09:34:10 2017.

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For me personally, I was just using 14th Street as an example of a stop between Worth & 23rd where I would have to take the subway to Downtown or Midtown to catch my bus, even though my actual destination was in between (so yes, you understand my point). I'm not suggesting that the X17 should have a Greenwich Village branch or anything during rush hour.

As for why a Staten Islander in general would want to to go Greenwich Village (I know there's multiple areas between Worth & 23rd, Chelsea, Tribeca, etc, but I'll just use Greenwich Village to refer to that area), the thing you have to consider is that SI express ridership is much higher and so while there might not be a market to sustain any type of BM or QM route that runs via Greenwich Village, I would say there's a market to sustain at least a rush hour route that covers it.

Let me put it to you this way, on a typical rush hour trip on the X7, you might pick up 3-4 people at each stop between 23rd & WFC (not inclusive), and then say, 15-20 people at the WFC itself. So say you come into the WFC with 20-30 people and leave with 40-50.

And remember, this is taking into account that you're splitting some of the ridership with the X1 & X9. If you had a dedicated route (eliminated the X1 during rush hour, combined the X7/9, and cut that route back to 23rd Street), I could easily see such a route justifying 5 minute headways during rush hour.

The X10B is a little harder to make the case for, but I could see a 23rd Street-Port Richmond via West Street route justifying 15 minute headways (especially if the X12 were cut back to Worth Street)

As for what's causing that ridership between Worth & 23rd, you have to consider that SI is more dependent on its express buses than a typical rider in BM/QM territory. So somebody going to say, NYU might say "Well, I can take the QM1/5/6 to Herald Square and catch a train down, or just take the Q46 to the E/F and save the money and it'll still take approximately the same amount of time". Staten Islanders have no comparable alternative. So you have more students and retail workers using the SI express buses compared to the QM/BM buses (the majority of ridership of course, is people heading to professional jobs, but still those little secondary ridership bases do add up).

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