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Re: I HAVE FOUND INFO ON THE SI BUS STUDY

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat May 20 18:53:26 2017, in response to Re: I HAVE FOUND INFO ON THE SI BUS STUDY, posted by dkupf on Sat May 20 02:54:09 2017.

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Wow, clearly a course in statistics isn't required as part of your course of study. Requiring 14% of Staten Island express riders to transfer equates to a 14% increase in subway ridership?

But then again, this is from a person who wants to bend over backwards to serve people at a single local stop on the S79 route (that could just as easily be covered by a reroute of the S78 that would straighten it out in the process) and screw over an entire housing development by removing all of their service.

But anyway, that 4% number is definitely fudged. Most likely it refers to the percentage of rush hour passengers who use the express bus system to travel to points between Worth Street & 23rd Street. And do you know why that is? Because the vast majority of express routes already avoid that section. Between 23rd & Worth at the height of rush hour, you only have the X1/7/9/10B/12. In the meantime, you have the X2/5/17J/21/22/23/24/30/31/42 which serve Midtown-only, and the X3/4/8/11/15/17A/19 that serve Downtown-only. The X14 serves both Downtown & Midtown, but bypasses areas in between, and every single SI express bus that runs through Greenwich Village also serves destinations Downtown (and the X7/9/10B continue north of 23rd as well).

I live off the X17, the second-busiest express route in the borough. You tell me how I'm supposed to get a one-seat ride to 14th Street during rush hour in the peak direction. You don't think there's riders who take the subway to Downtown or Midtown because that's where the express bus happens to stop and that skews the ridership towards the better-served Downtown & Midtown areas?

Last night, I took the last X17 of the evening (who was technically an "extra" bus that left 20 minutes after the last official bus). There were 67 people on that bus (57 seated plus 10 standees). Are you going to tell me with a straight face that only 3 of those people were boarding between 23rd & Worth?

I'm not even saying they're wrong for trying to focus the services on Downtown & Midtown. But to just blindly believe their statistics without considering how or why they arrived at those numbers is just wrong.

In any case, in order to serve the World Financial Center (which I can say from experience is a major stop), I would at the very least have the X7 & X10B continue serving it, and truncate those routes at 23rd Street (to continue providing some sort of service between Worth & 23rd).

Off-peak, I will admit that while there is a lot of ridership north of Worth Street (and the subways have their construction work), there's often parades and street fairs that mess up service. I've seen routine bunching on 30 minute headways, which shouldn't be the case. So I would understand if the X1/10/17 were cut back to Downtown off-peak, but at the same time, there would have to be a compromise (perhaps running the X22 off-peak while also adding more frequent off-peak service on all routes to account for the fact that some passengers may miss their transfers).

Also, they should take into account the fare structure (if somebody presently takes the local bus to access the express bus, they shouldn't have to pay an additional fare to take the subway or local bus in Manhattan).

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