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Re: Pedestrians aren't the only ones who matter.

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Jan 14 20:01:31 2017, in response to Re: Pedestrians aren't the only ones who matter., posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jan 14 19:18:32 2017.

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You practically never see a pedestrian on Knapp Street between Avenue Y and Harkness Avenue, a distance of almost a half mile, because there is nothing there but a sewage treatment plant on both sides of the street with practically no parked cars on either side of the street. Yet the speed limit there is still 25 mph which is absolutely insane because 40 mph is perfectly safe there

It's not quite perfectly safe, as per NYPD records. I guess the reason for the injury was because the motorist did not expect to see a pedestrian. Here's the record in the NYPD crash database:

DATE: 09/09/2013
TIME: 15:50
BOROUGH: BROOKLYN
ZIP CODE: 11235
LATITUDE: 40.5881398
LONGITUDE: -73.931783
LOCATION: (40.5881398, -73.931783)
ON STREET NAME: VOORHIES AVENUE
CROSS STREET NAME: KNAPP STREET
OFF STREET NAME: NULL
NUMBER OF PERSONS INJURED: 1
NUMBER OF PERSONS KILLED: 0
NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS INJURED: 1
NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS KILLED: 0
NUMBER OF CYCLIST INJURED: 0
NUMBER OF CYCLIST KILLED: 0
NUMBER OF MOTORIST INJURED: 0
NUMBER OF MOTORIST KILLED: 0
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 1: Failure to Yield Right-of-Way
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 2: NULL
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 3: NULL
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 4: NULL
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 5: NULL
UNIQUE KEY: 119880
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 1: PASSENGER VEHICLE
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 2: NULL
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 3: NULL
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 4: NULL
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 5: NULL

As for the section of Flatbush you are speaking of, before Vision Zero, the speed limit there was 45 mph and yes cars frequently traveled it at 50 mph and I can't recall hearing of a single accident there in the past 40 years.

NYPD's crash database does not go back 40 years. Here are the records that include 1 pedestrian fatality. If you use the geographic coordinates, they line up on Flatbush.

Let me refresh your memory for crashes involving pedestrians and cyclists along Flatbush from Ave U to the Marine Pkwy Bridge:

DATE: 03/14/2015
TIME: 14:30
BOROUGH: BROOKLYN
ZIP CODE: 11234
LATITUDE: 40.6098096
LONGITUDE: -73.9224976
LOCATION: (40.6098096, -73.9224976)
ON STREET NAME: FLATBUSH AVENUE
CROSS STREET NAME: AVENUE U
OFF STREET NAME: NULL
NUMBER OF PERSONS INJURED: 1
NUMBER OF PERSONS KILLED: 0
NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS INJURED: 1
NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS KILLED: 0
NUMBER OF CYCLIST INJURED: 0
NUMBER OF CYCLIST KILLED: 0
NUMBER OF MOTORIST INJURED: 0
NUMBER OF MOTORIST KILLED: 0
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 1: Passenger Distraction
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 2: NULL
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 3: NULL
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 4: NULL
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 5: NULL
UNIQUE KEY: 3187041
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 1: SMALL COM VEH(4 TIRES)
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 2: NULL
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 3: NULL
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 4: NULL
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 5: NULL

DATE: 10/23/2012
TIME: 6:59
BOROUGH: BROOKLYN
ZIP CODE: 11234
LATITUDE: 40.6082027
LONGITUDE: -73.9207095
LOCATION: (40.6082027, -73.9207095)
ON STREET NAME: AVENUE V
CROSS STREET NAME: FLATBUSH AVENUE
OFF STREET NAME: NULL
NUMBER OF PERSONS INJURED: 1
NUMBER OF PERSONS KILLED: 0
NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS INJURED: 1
NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS KILLED: 0
NUMBER OF CYCLIST INJURED: 0
NUMBER OF CYCLIST KILLED: 0
NUMBER OF MOTORIST INJURED: 0
NUMBER OF MOTORIST KILLED: 0
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 1: Passenger Distraction
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 2: NULL
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 3: NULL
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 4: NULL
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 5: NULL
UNIQUE KEY: 126436
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 1: PASSENGER VEHICLE
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 2: NULL
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 3: NULL
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 4: NULL
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 5: NULL

DATE: 03/02/2015
TIME: 19:40
BOROUGH: BROOKLYN
ZIP CODE: 11234
LATITUDE: 40.6073017
LONGITUDE: -73.9197094
LOCATION: (40.6073017, -73.9197094)
ON STREET NAME: MILL AVENUE
CROSS STREET NAME: AVENUE U
OFF STREET NAME: NULL
NUMBER OF PERSONS INJURED: 1
NUMBER OF PERSONS KILLED: 0
NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS INJURED: 1
NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS KILLED: 0
NUMBER OF CYCLIST INJURED: 0
NUMBER OF CYCLIST KILLED: 0
NUMBER OF MOTORIST INJURED: 0
NUMBER OF MOTORIST KILLED: 0
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 1: Unspecified
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 2: NULL
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 3: NULL
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 4: NULL
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 5: NULL
UNIQUE KEY: 3178376
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 1: SPORT UTILITY / STATION WAGON
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 2: NULL
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 3: NULL
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 4: NULL
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 5: NULL

DATE: 05/30/2015
TIME: 17:24
BOROUGH: BROOKLYN
ZIP CODE: 11234
LATITUDE: 40.5965113
LONGITUDE: -73.9078755
LOCATION: (40.5965113, -73.9078755)
ON STREET NAME: FLATBUSH AVENUE
CROSS STREET NAME: SHORE PARKWAY
OFF STREET NAME: NULL
NUMBER OF PERSONS INJURED: 1
NUMBER OF PERSONS KILLED: 0
NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS INJURED: 0
NUMBER OF PEDESTRIANS KILLED: 0
NUMBER OF CYCLIST INJURED: 1
NUMBER OF CYCLIST KILLED: 0
NUMBER OF MOTORIST INJURED: 0
NUMBER OF MOTORIST KILLED: 0
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 1: Driver Inattention/Distraction
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 2: Traffic Control Disregarded
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 3: NULL
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 4: NULL
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR VEHICLE 5: NULL
UNIQUE KEY: 3238703
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 1: PASSENGER VEHICLE
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 2: BICYCLE
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 3: NULL
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 4: NULL
VEHICLE TYPE CODE 5: NULL

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